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That's also abandoning a lot of customers.
No, I said it's too large of a sample to ignore.
And given the point of the website is to get data from its users, Sony won't ignore the data it got from its users
Of course the usershave never experianced a real DD system. So its not a valid poll. If you show them to units and list battery life of both units , one with the mechanical drive and one without I'm sure results will be diffrent.
And that $4 price is still twice the cost of a 50 GB bluray disc!
I miss read the page so its more than $4 however a Bluray disc would hardly make for a portable system.
-Storage would add up pretty fast, the kiosks would need to be altered to store multiple ventilated harddrives
-USB ports or the bluray slot would need to be exposed (installation of games, faster powered transfer to PSPs)
-They'd need to set the PS3 up to act as a RemotePlay or PSN Store server for multiple simultaneous PSPs (otherwise the store is limited to 1 cust per kiosk)
-Kiosks would need to be given an internet connection, and most retailers only have dial up shared with the interact machine and main line (to put your games on your account and use PSN cards)
Storage is cheap. I did the numbers you failed to listen. Asuming 8 gigs per psp2 and using 1TB hardrives (they are as low as $80 bucks right now) you can store 128 psp 2 titles at 8 gigs a game. 3TB hardrives which will be out later this year would tripple that would hold 384 titles.
These are far more than any store would actual hold. In fact thats more new games than 360 , ps3 and wii have in stock at a gamestop.
As for the rest they can set it up as a wireless n server which will transfer at 60MB/s which would be enough to transfer a title in a little over 1m 40 seconds.
They wouldn't need a ps3 at all. Gamestops have all goe broad band and most walmarts that i know have broad band. Aside from that they would preload games to the kiosks and can do it over days or weeks so fast speeds wouldn't be a problem. Even the slowest dsl connection (or 3g or even 56k) would be fast enough to check that the code is valid.
Not in canada. You keep thinking small. This has to work for the whole world not just you
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I disagree , i posted canada's prices for internet. The average user would have no problems with limits that are 75GB or greater. I don't invision casuals who buy a game a month or a game every few months to have problems with bandwidth caps. If the caps are restrictive they can go to their local store just like now.
Nintendo uses vastly smaller amounts of flash.
Again, you're comparing apples to oranges.
The largest DS games is 256 megabytes, and there is only one that big. The rest are all 128 MB or smaller. 128 MB isnt enough for 99% of PSP games.
And it's twice as expensive. which = higher risks for publishersLets not forget optical/UMD will/has as well.
Yes the ds was designed at a diffrent time. This is not 2004. PSP 2 games can grow with flash as it grows in size and drops in price. If 4 gigs is $4 at launch they can start making them and slowly move up as flash drops in price. Just like when the psp 1 came out 1 gig flash cards were 40 or so bucks in the states and now you can get 8 gig cards for $15 bucks.
Um, costs still go down. You don't think optical mediums get cheaper?
Did you not pay attention to the dropping cost of writable discs over the years?
optical discs have come down in price like every other product ever mass produced
Optical costs will hit a wall and not drop more. The drives will hit a price and not be reduced more. ALso opitcal drives do not get faster and do not increase in storage size.
With a UMD2 you still need to pay for the disc and the caddy and the drives will still cost money.
Flash however has constantly gotten faster and cheaper while increasing in storage capacity.
Memory stick Pro came out in 2003. It was limited to 20MB/s maximum speed. It came out with 1GB size.
Memory stick xc anounced in 2009 it will go to 2TB and transfer at 60MB/s
ALot has changed since the psp came out.
Yes there is a higher risk involved but sony is already charging more per game and if they go with flash it can be absorbed into the cost.
And as I've told you a minimum of 3 times, no one is disputing that.
Cost however is more important, and is why solid state mediums were abandoned in the first place
But they weren't fully abandoned they are still in use and are gaining again in popularity.
Yes, at launch UMD cost under $2 for dual layered, and less for one layered.
DS cards, for 64 MB cost $20 to manufacture. Making DS cards cost 288 times more capacity wise
Link ?
And what are prices like today ?
And like every other mass produced product ever made, the price has come down.
Except you have to maintain a line for every game being made no matter what it's stored on
Not with DD. Its just data stored on a drive in a server farm or kisok
Yes, and as someone pointed out before. The cost of that is still cheaper than using flash, and the costs don't get put on publishers which = bigger better and more games.
You're exaggerating again, the difference in battery cost is negligible. And so is the size.
Better is debatable. As for exaggerting the psp go gets close to the psp 3000s battery life 3-5 vs 4-6 hours of life. The psp 3000 has a 1200mah rating while the go has 930mah rating. The psp 3000 has a 270mah rating increase.
Wait, you're saying Playstations website with over 18,000 votes isnt a large enough sampling size to represent all owners but you're going to give me a picture of 1 game store? That's hypocrisy.
I asked you to check your local stores also. They do not carry old stock. I gave you a link to the major retailers in this country for new games and none of them have Metal gear acid for sale or part 2 for sale new.
Its very simple. Shelf life for games is very short at retail while in a DD store the life of sales will be greater.
The difference is irrelevant. New games are there. And other systems also have plenty of used games.
Only new games tho. Games have a limited shelf life of making money. With a DD only system games can continue to sell new for years and not have to compete with used games.
No one is disputing that. The claim is it would also sell far less since you're excluding markets DD can't get to.
There is no such market. If there are physical stores then you can get DD
apples - oranges. Stop comparing 2 completely different things
They are both portable video game systems.
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t's less than I paid for Pokemon Gold.
Same price as pokemon gold , pokemon gold also come with a piece of hardware included which is why I did not use it for comparisons.
So do some PSP games! I paid $12 for my new copy of Gurumin. $10 for locoroco
The point is that dispite this very expensive flash as you claim they are able to releas cheap games brand new on the ds.
Some people CANT buy a DD only system even if they wanted to.
75% of the world doesnt have broadband
Then there are those with small quotas
75% of gamers prefer discs to downloads
Don't use fake statistics.
If people can go to a store and buy a game they have acess to DD systems.
1 was due to the law, and going DD only does not solve that problem
2 was due to the law, and going DD only does not solve that problem
3 wont be solved by going DD only. 3 was a direct result of going DD only
5 was a direct result of going DD only
Please link me to these laws. They do not exist.
Those problems were caused by going DD. They won't be moot, they'll be made worse.
Not at all. All of them are due to the physical medium existing before the DD console came out. If you go DD from the start all games will be released as they come out and stay on DD.
Your blaming DD for sony's mistakes and then more importantly your claiming there is some law out there. Please link me to these laws.
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Oh, apparently only 4.6 % of the world has broadband, not 25% as I claimed
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/1001/
Here's more country stats, note how none are anywhere near 100% coverage
1) USA is not the world.
2) 22nd place is not good. Even using the USA as an example, going DD excludes a large amount of people
As your link points out oer 6.5 Billion people have broadband. Only 60 or 70m people own a psp.
Also we already talked about the kiosk design. It doesn't have to be either or. It can be both which you seem to forget.
100 MB is the size of PSP minis!!
$40 is the cost of a psp game. Some games are as small as 400 megs. 4 kindle books is $40 bucks and can be 400megs. 3g is free for kindle. It can be free for psp.
No ? Says who. I'm charged 40 a month for unlimited acess . $5 is 1/8th the cost for much less than the data i use on it. I play bf2 bad company on it and download legal torrents. I normaly go over 100 gigs. Even back when I was on 3g I was over 20 ggis a month.
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0 characters is not comparable to PSP games!
Yes but your not following. Text messages like wireless internet is where wireless companys make alot of money. For example. Text messages costs fractions of pennies and yet unlimited texts used to be (up untill a few months ago) $20 bucks extra a month on verizon. You'd have to send thousands of text messages a month to get even close to costing verizon that much money and most people would use less than $1 a month for texts.
3g on verizon is a $10 charge for 25megs and 20c a MB after. However unlimited 3g is only $30 . you notice how it does not compute.
Its because 3g is dirt cheap for verizon and they are able to charge alot for it and make lts of money. Using thier own pricing you shouldn't be able to get more than 75MB for $30 bucks of data. But its unlimited at $30 bucks instead of 75MB
It would cost Verizon very little and make them lots to support a psp2 on thier network esp since they will have moved to 4G/wimaxx before the psp2 is out (verizon is rolling it out at the end of this year
No. I said nothing of the sort. But PSPs wifi is only one of the reasons downloading takes so long. Switching to faster wifi isnt going to make the problem go away.
Wireless B transfers at 11Mbps. Its a big problem. You couldn't even make the kiosk idea work if you wanted too
1) Now how long do you predict that will take. Do you expect Sony to wait that long? I guarantee the # of years is greater than 1
2) Do you expect Sony to bet billions on the govt. that has failed to follow through on similar projects in the past?
3) USA is not the world
I expect sny to be more mindful of the future than they were with the psp and design a proper system that is able to download games from a kiosk at a store and for those who have fast internet at home will allow them to download it through that or 3g/4g networks. That is whats popular its where markets are heading and portable systems will head that way. Even if at the start games wont grow much in size over the psp as time goes on the size of games can easily increase.
Yet you claim all the problems are DD , steam is an example of a proper DD system that is not invasive and proves that DD doesn't have to be.
Digital rights medium. Last I check bluray / dvd / cd is digital and it stops me form using the discs in a way sony doesn't want.
You mean 75% of gamers who visted that site and took the time to post there ?
Got links to the law suits ? Last i checked ipods were far and away the best sellig mp3 player and iphone is one of the best selling phones ever made.
No, since the majority of consumers don't want DD.
But if people buy it that means sony did what consumers wanted right. Its what you have been saying.
You can't force anything on the market.
Sony did a good job of forcing bluray
That isn't a law , that is bad liscensing agreements. Some tv shows due to music haven't come out on dvd either . They can simply replace the music if they so choose.
To post the game without re-getting those rights, would be breaking copyright law. It'd be theft.
This is why most games aren't up. This is why most PS1 games aren't up. Other devs have posted similar quotes.
Really thats why games with music created in house aren't up ? Thats bullshit
Just cause you're ignorant of how the law works doesn't mean there aren't laws about it. Do research before making claims
The vast majority of psp games do not have liscensed music
They'd have to reobtain rights for licenses (sports, movies) songs, etc. Contracts have expired, etc. That is a direct result of going DD only. Not Sony's fault, other than making the moronic decision to go DD only in the first place.
As long as the publisher has the sports liscense still they can publish it without reobtaining anything. Movies of course have to be relisenced but sony has already done that through psn. Sonys only have to be reliscensed if it has another copyright holder. The vast majority of games do not use copyrighted music from outside the company.
None of this is DDs fault. This is sonys fault. If the system was designed as DD from the start none of this would be a problem.
Btw releasing the games on UMD2 would require sony get rights to the music again. You can see from virtual console that these are not problems with the vast majority of gamse released and its not a problem with DD
Sony can't give you something they don't own.
Nope they can't , but sony and the game developers could have introduced an exchange program. This s not DD's fault. It is sonys fault.
When Sony ditched UMD in the Go, they had an excuse to go smaller, so they took it.
Which many people love. I don't see why this is DD's fault. THe main problem ws that they didn't go DD in the first place !
And? Comparing it to GBC is no different than the comparisons you've made. You keep comparing it to completely different situations, huge differences in filesizes.
I'm comparing it to a system that came out the same year as the psp. Sony could have easily released a flash based system back then or used smaller capacity discs. Developers would have designed around it. There is no problem there.
Well you didn't vote hard enough with your wallet to outweigh those who do want it.
I moded my psp 2000 years ago and didn't have to deal with sony's stupid software . Hopefully they make a good DD only system with the psp2 otherwise I will likely only buy the new nintendo system or if MS comes out with a system.
Personaly I might be very happy with a new windows mobile 7 phone for gaming on the go.