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That's all art, and easily changeable. The forest certainly looked lush, although we didn't get to see much at all. Way too early to tell if this engine does anything impressive or not, although at this point, compared to what Frostbite 2 is doing, Kojima's intention to have the most powerful engine doesn't seem to be approaching reality yet.
I didn't say otherwise. Your complaints could be made of a Frostbite 2 or UE3 game if they went with the same muted colour scheme. This little clip of this engine tells us nothing about it's underlying possibilities and limits.L. Scofield
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Looks like regular phong shading to me.
This is old,but very interesting talk aboout Direct X vs AMD...
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/...tting-In-the-Way-of-PC-Game-Graphics-Says-AMD
(some very interesting explanations about x360 and ps3 developer universe)
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/...tting-In-the-Way-of-PC-Game-Graphics-Says-AMD
(some very interesting explanations about x360 and ps3 developer universe)
Don't see 360 dev kit or PS3 dev kit, more a this stage of dev 360 controller on PC dev engine.
Bingo! This is a HP Z800...chipset..intell 5520CH* with Geforce 8400GS** same 8500GT specs.
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http://techreport.com/articles.x/16656/4
**
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/12699
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What doesn't make sense is that if Direct X is such a resource hog, wouldn't the Xbox 360 be underperforming since it runs on a modified version of DX9?
Can you go past the Open GL API on PS3 and code directly to the RSX?
Yes you can code directly to the RSX on the PS3. I think you can bypass DirectX on the 360 also, though not 100% sure.
DirectX 9 has performance issues on Windows XP because of the User Mode<->Kernel Mode transitions that need to be done. The Xbox doesn't have that issue and things were improved with Windows Vista.
That's not nearly everything though - there are limits to what you can access and when in pure DirectX9. But such limits do not necessarily exist in console land. That's probably getting off-topic though.
But does IGN have actually knowledge, or are they assuming based on the video like everyone else?
NGP support is effectively confirmed, though. But I think it's safe to assume that's not what the screenshots are from!
Thank you beat me
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And yes there many talks and papers about 30% or even more performance gain if codding "on the metal".. and i see recently presentation(pdf) on Frostbite 2 engine says almost same thing.
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L. Scofield
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I prefer the overhead if it means better compatibility with future consoles. I don't want to have to buy the same games over and over again.
DirectX9 render/sampler state setting API is inefficient, because you have to call a D3D API function for each separate state you want to change. There are hundreds of different states, so this can become a bottleneck if you want to perform thousands of draw calls per frame. DX10 introduced state blocks, for setting states more efficiently, and the consoles have similar APIs for this. Also DirectX9 didn't have command buffer (display list) record/playback features, or constant buffers (a way to store constants in GPU memory, and set them quickly by one API call) like DX10/11 have. You can of course access these features on consoles as well.
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30%! So the Xbox 360 is the most powerful console after all
Microsoft has just hampered it with Direct X!
Lucid_Dreamer
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30%!30%! So the Xbox 360 is the most powerful console after all
Microsoft has just hampered it with Direct X!
Does that mean Xbox 360 could have true S3D, without going to SD resolution?
TheWretched
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By the way their HDMI output works, I doubt it, since the only way they can do it now is by putting both left and right viewports into a 720P buffer, effectively halving the resolution anyways.
30%! So the Xbox 360 is the most powerful console after all
Microsoft has just hampered it with Direct X!
uh?! I don't understood...
I guess what he is saying is that judging by the fact that they have been coding on the metal for the PS3 and not for the 360 while both are getting similar results on screen then the 360 might have been getting much better results if they could get that additional performance
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