The E3 Thread! Who will come out on top?
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RancidLunchmeat
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I'll agree with Robert and some of what Chef said in the Sony thread.
I think MS's goal was to establish themselves as the dominate console for the 07 holiday season, and I think they made their case extremely well.
I think Sony's goal was to say 'Just wait a little while longer...' and I think they did a fairly decent job at doing that.
(notice how the goals of the two competitors are almost in complete conflict with each other?)
I have a very difficult time figuring out what Nintendo's goal was, so I certainly can't determine their success. It seems to me their goal was to reinforce the idea that Wii sales are due to an expansion of the market and I'm still unaware of any evidence that supports that claim.
I'm also a little bit taken back by their release of more peripherals for the console. I thought the motivating factor behind getting increased third party support for the wiimote was that it was "standard".
Does Nintendo honestly believe there will be third party support for these other peripherals? In fact.. did Nintendo do anything to answer the third party support question?
I agree with MS's goal and their execution. I agree with Sony's goal and their execution. I would have thought Nintendo's goal would have been to demonstrate third party support and showcase as many upcoming games as possible. Instead, they went a completely different direction. Essentially telling 'gamers' to go get bent. And I'm still fairly certain it's gamers that are the ones buying their consoles. Not grandmothers or middle aged housewives.
I guess we'll find out depending on how long the console continues to sell.
I think MS's goal was to establish themselves as the dominate console for the 07 holiday season, and I think they made their case extremely well.
I think Sony's goal was to say 'Just wait a little while longer...' and I think they did a fairly decent job at doing that.
(notice how the goals of the two competitors are almost in complete conflict with each other?)
I have a very difficult time figuring out what Nintendo's goal was, so I certainly can't determine their success. It seems to me their goal was to reinforce the idea that Wii sales are due to an expansion of the market and I'm still unaware of any evidence that supports that claim.
I'm also a little bit taken back by their release of more peripherals for the console. I thought the motivating factor behind getting increased third party support for the wiimote was that it was "standard".
Does Nintendo honestly believe there will be third party support for these other peripherals? In fact.. did Nintendo do anything to answer the third party support question?
I agree with MS's goal and their execution. I agree with Sony's goal and their execution. I would have thought Nintendo's goal would have been to demonstrate third party support and showcase as many upcoming games as possible. Instead, they went a completely different direction. Essentially telling 'gamers' to go get bent. And I'm still fairly certain it's gamers that are the ones buying their consoles. Not grandmothers or middle aged housewives.
I guess we'll find out depending on how long the console continues to sell.
DeadlyNinja
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To sum it up quite simply, this E3 sucked.
In other words, they are 360 fans.
To be honest, I expected more from Sony.
Rumble, Euro pricing, Network features. The only thing we got was a (very cool!) MySpace clone.
Booting a game from Home? Big deal. I want unified messages and friends first.
And Nintendo... Well, there are about two titles I would buy this year.
Edit - Anyway, N'Gai will probably have something nice to say about the Sony conference.
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Yes, yes and yes.
Basically MS is saying we have SOOO much quality and soo many titles for 2007 that we dont have to show you anything for 2007. Sony has nothing this year that you REALLY wanna play and/or is really exclusive to them. "If you have to buy three games this year it'll be Halo, Madden and GTA anyway and only we have those... Other games are basically exclusive to us this year."
Sony has to the play the "wait a little while longer" game with their fan base... meanwhile pricedrops come across the board on both Sony's and MS' systems... MS is in a pretty unassailable position this coming winter season and this was the season they predicted they would "win" from three years ago. By 2008 it may just be too late for Sony...
For Killzone theres Gears 2. I predict Forza 3 for christmas 2008 to go toe ot toe with GT5. Then theres Too Human Alan Wake and an assortment of games we never heard of for x07. MS' show was about the business of selling 2007's games not 2008's dreams...
I am trying not to participate "vs console" threads, but I am pretty sure anyone who thinks Microsoft's presscon was best is either bluntly biased, or simply hasn't been following gaming world at all.
Rainbow Man
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Considering since there's no gold standard for personal taste I don't see how you could make such a statement with any degree of credibility.
From what I've read this E3's pretty much a toss-up between MS and Sony in my own opinion. Both have showed some quite interesting stuffs. Sony certainly did quite a bit better in this regard than I expected after all the doom and gloom for the past year or so but some things held them back and prevented them from taking a clear lead IMO.
Nothing about either eyetoy rumbling or euro pricedroop were the main reasons.
So there's no clear winner. Only certain thing Nintendo came in last in the race.
Peace.
Peter Moore Eurogamer interview:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=79577
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=79577
Isn't that what you're getting? As I understand it, rather than provide these to games separately, and then create Home, Home is an integral online service. That is, all online functionality is embedded in Home and shared from there. Thus an online friends network would need Home characters for each of those friends, and the messaging become meeting up in someone's apartment or a game lobby and chatting there.
So far, so good. I'd really like to see lobbies, group chat, clans and avatars in XBL.
The thing is, I'm not sure this works while you're playing. Only when you're in Home. I got the impression it was more of a starting point. Meet, talk, boot a game.
I hope I'm wrong though! Can you see what a friend is playing, and join him / send him a message from within Home?
What new stuff do you think Microsoft showed? I am genuinely curious. Was it the new Viva Pinata? some Halo CGI? MS Buzz controller?
Only thing I see new is RE5 trailer which was also in Sony's conference.
I can possibly add the 2-minute of Halo 3 trailer. At the time I found underwhelming only because they talked about Halo 3 all of the conference including some band playing its theme more than necessary.
Total waste of time overall, I wonder where the people who liked the conference were at the time. Clearly not in the audience except maybe during CoD 4 demo.
I don't think there's been any clarification, but how I interpretted it, those functions are they but they go through Home. eg. You can send a friend a message and the game can present it, or they can pick it up in Home, or the can check it on the website or on their mobile. It's a very system, I have to admit. Lobbies aren't as quick as perhaps a straightforward list of friends, but I do think the designer lobbies actually adds something to the experience that makes it worthwhile. eg. Going into LBP, and approaching it with those virtual manikins as a sort of starter course.
I completely agree with that.
I was going to post about this anyway, but I might as well make it a response..
This is a big deal, and one of the most fundamental bits of Home functionality. And what we were wondering about earlier is clarified in the press release:
If you can do that, at launch as the press release says, in any online PS3 game, then that is HUGE, for me personally, particularly if it works as seamlessly as the stage demo suggested.
I also thought the Home website with profile pages was also significant. People have pointed at the profile pages for XBL on Microsoft's site and pondered if Sony would do anything similar, but it looks like they will, and then some. It's one thing to take a digital picture in Home and automatically send that out to your profile online, but imagine if that could be extended to taking in-game screenshots. I wouldn't mention the possibility because we've had no official word on Home being active in any way concurrently with games, but I believe we've heard rumours of 'in-game phone calls' from Home which might suggest they've a concurrent future in mind.
But anyway, forgive my rambling on that..but the core online game launching from Home with friends stuff is a big deal indeed, IMO.
This is a big deal, and one of the most fundamental bits of Home functionality. And what we were wondering about earlier is clarified in the press release:
If you can do that, at launch as the press release says, in any online PS3 game, then that is HUGE, for me personally, particularly if it works as seamlessly as the stage demo suggested.
I also thought the Home website with profile pages was also significant. People have pointed at the profile pages for XBL on Microsoft's site and pondered if Sony would do anything similar, but it looks like they will, and then some. It's one thing to take a digital picture in Home and automatically send that out to your profile online, but imagine if that could be extended to taking in-game screenshots. I wouldn't mention the possibility because we've had no official word on Home being active in any way concurrently with games, but I believe we've heard rumours of 'in-game phone calls' from Home which might suggest they've a concurrent future in mind.
But anyway, forgive my rambling on that..but the core online game launching from Home with friends stuff is a big deal indeed, IMO.
This still dances around my questions. And the wording of that PR doesn't make it sound like it does what I would consider the bare minimum.
Are you supposed to sit and wait in your apartment? That ain't good enough for me. I'd rather be playing.
Don't misunderstand me (read my previous posts), I like Home for other reasons, but they're missing the basics as far as I'm concerned. That is, if I'm reading this right...
Are you supposed to sit and wait in your apartment? That ain't good enough for me. I'd rather be playing.
Don't misunderstand me (read my previous posts), I like Home for other reasons, but they're missing the basics as far as I'm concerned. That is, if I'm reading this right...
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