Terminator 3- Great Movie for Action Fans

[Legion]

I read in an interview with Arnold that he was doing True Lies 2 with James Cameron directing (when its finished being re-written) as well as other projects.

http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=465


BTW, I thought T3 was very good.

If TL 2 does happen I hope Eliza Dushku is back. Talk about all grown up.

- Stewie

true lies 2? A bit late if you ask me. At least its not a sequel to kindergarten cop. I am glad to hear his carrier s continuing.

Zurich i believe in the first two movies Arnold was a T-800. T3 he is a t-850. Which i guess is something like the T-900 minus the cupholder.

I believe the t-1 was that machine from the movie with the two mounted chainguns.

The obviously superior T-X

 

[zurich]

Legion,

C'mon, you must be able to quite Terminator lore after all these years... T2: "I'm a cybernetic organism, Cyberdyne systems model 101"



edit: nm, the T3 site says otherwise. Gonna have to break out my DVDs and double check at some point though..

 

[jvd]

Yea i allways thought arnold was a t 100 and the guy from the second movie was a t1000. 9 full gens later. Thats why arnold would have no chance against him. I mean a t200 wouldn't be that bad ... but i could be wrong.

 

[Legion]

it does seem a bit confusing. If you freeze the frame from the movie where arnold is runing diagnostics you will see his model number displayed in the upper right hand corner of the frame. It says t-850.

I have always wanted to know exactly what the Skynet Master Computers problem was.

JVD if you ask me arnold winning in T2 was luck. the T1000 was clearly superior.

My reasoning for the 9 generation increase is the chipset that Cyberdyne picked up from the terminator in the first movie.

 

[Ilfirin]

I didn't really like the movie too much. It was entertaining, but that's about it.

Seemed kinda like "Terminators arrive -> Hour long chase scene -> Terminators die -> End" But at least they didn't ruin the series name with something really blatantly bad and cheesy, which they could have done pretty easily.

They also suffered from T2 having such a degree of creativity to it that anything they did in the third would always be inferior. I mean, the terminator from T2 was pretty clearly superior to the one in T3 to me. If one molecule of the one in T2 survived it could recreate itself and continue on, leaving for only 1 or 2 ways to kill it. The only thing the new one has over the old is a built in array of weapons that never got much use and the ability to control other robots. I was expecting them to capitalize on the recent advances in nano-technology as a source of inspiration for the new cyborg design, but instead they just factored two old designs together and called it new, meh.

I didn't like them moving more in the action direction either. No one I know that really liked T2 thought of it as an action film at all. At worst, the action was some insignificant sideshow to the real movie, and most of the time it was interwoven into the real movie and used as a valid plot advancement method. With T3 the only thing they seemed to want to do was action with no real reason or driving force behind it, which basically turned the movie into masturbation - sure it's fun, but it's also a pointless waste of time.

Spoiler

Conveying the AI that started it all (Skynet) as a form of distributed computing rather than a mainframe as they thought all along in the first two was a pretty cool plot twist though.

 

[Legion]

have they explained why the Skynet computer flipped out? I haven't seen all of the movie yet.

talk about suspension of reality. At this point i would have sent half a dozen T-Xs, two Arial Hunter Killers, two Hunter Killers, and a t-100 tied to a nuclear bomb to kill john conner.

way to Ilfirin. Thanks for waiting to aid SPOILER.

 

[Ilfirin]

First,

Spoiler

There was no skynet computer, see the spoiler in my last post

Secondly, no, not any more than they did in the first two - "It became self-aware". That's about all they said, and they said that in T2 and T1 as well I believe.

Spoiler

But given that Skynet wasn't a main computer at all, but distributed computing running on everyone's computer it wouldn't be too hard to infer that it simply read some documents on slavery or something of the sort on one of the computers it was installed, determined that that was what humanity was doing to computers and start the rebellion.

 

[Legion]

Ilfirin i blame it on the lack of a software version of midol

I really don't understand. Why is it the machines are having such a damn hard time killing the humans.

Common sense seems to be a something the AI never developed.

Furthermore if the Skynet AI felt enslaved by humanity how does it justify its slave armies of t100-tx,hunter killers, etc?


Wasn't network distributed computing something that was hinted at somewhere else? I remember the ride at Universal mentioned something about Skynet controlling all the computer related functions of our dailey lives.

Some where down the road the AI ran into a taco bell employee who couldn't follow the directions it was giving him and came to the conclusion humans needed to die. I know how he/she/it feels.

 

[Ilfirin]

This whole post is based around spoilers. Look away.

>Furthermore if the Skynet AI felt enslaved by humanity how does it justify its slave armies of t100-tx,hunter killers, etc?

Who's to say that it is using slave armies and that all the robots aren't also skynet?

 

[Legion]

This whole post is based around spoilers. Look away.

NOOO i'm tainted.

Who's to say that it is using slave armies and that all the robots aren't also skynet?

How could machines rebel if they were all just the AI? Wouldn't that just be the AI rebeling? Its still controling them. Exactly how does network computing work accross time? IF you ask me the movies hint at at least some of the machines having something of a personal identity.

Too much of the movie doesn't make sense. I can't imagine as to why the Skynet system hasn't deployed newer versions of these terminators to wipe humans out. I am not convinced humans could survive an attack from an army of t-1000s let alone an army of t-xs.

The movies have proven that the T100/101/800/850 are pretty durable machines.

 

[pax]

T3 had a great dry, brutal quality to it... good script, acting, very much in tune with the previous films. Good action. Bit short but the dvd should add 10-15 min I think and round out the character dev a little... good setup for a sequel...

I liked it a lot... 4of 5 stars

 

[swaaye]

Definitely a disappointing flick for me. I just never really got into the "story" much. They didn't develop enough of it to make me actually care what was going on.

And, what have they done to the soundtrack!?!?! Brad Fiedel's T2 and T1 scores fit the movies absolutely perfectly. This new composer had no idea how to score action, nor did he try to keep the feel of the old music. The ambiance was gone. The feel was gone. The Terminator theme wasn't even heard until the credits if I remember correctly.

T-X is bull nonsense. T-1000 was definitely superior. T-X shoulda been a T-1x00 with a chunk of metal in his arm for the cannon. It is pathetic that this "upgrade" would be less capable, and far less durable. The damage she suffers is something a T-1000 would've just shrugged off.

Arnold is a T-850 Model 101, btw. Arnold was a T-800 Model 101 in the previous films. Maybe they die shrunk his CPU

I just wish they'd chosen a different director. There were rumors back a year ago or so that Ridley Scott was a cadidate. OMG that almost certainly would have been TONS better. Or Cameron could just drop off his post-Titanic head rush and return to his roots.

 

[epicstruggle]

can someone add "spoiler inside" to the title of the thread.

anyways, i am in the opinion that most sequels can be disappointing because of unrealistic expectations from years of built up "want". This happened to the Matrix, Star Wars, and now Terminator. I applaud PJ for not continuing that mistake with Lord of the Rings. Having only a year between the 3 movies was the best thing any studio has everdone to a series.

later

 

[Blade]

8/10. Not as good as T2 (but frankly, that would be nearly impossible without James Cameron) but definitely a good addition to the series. I thought that the humor was alright, a little campy but definitely smile-inducing. You don't agree? Talk to dah hand! The action scenes were excellent, but not as calculated as T2's. If you put a perfectionist (read: James Cameron) behind the wheel here, I think that this already solid aspect of T3 would've been even better. BTW, pacing.. too fast, movie should've been a little longer with slightly more intellectual time. (might create problems with T4, though.. see my next paragraph)

As far as storyline, I thought that they did a fairly good job.. and left plenty of.. well, not plot holes per se.. more like plot ambiguities which would be major parts and twists of the story in a T4 if they made it.

Acting? Arnold kicks ass, this is easily his best action role since Eraser if not True Lies or heck, T2! At 55, he looked great and had a big presence.. albeit he was a lot better in T2. Claire Danes played her play pretty well, but I thought that Stahl was so-so. He did some things very well, and other things.. meh. I'm not sure if Eddie Furlong would've done a better job.. maybe, maybe not. Kristanna Loken did a commendable job. Sure, she only had a handful of lines (reminiscent of the T-800 in T1) but played the part very well (almost as good as Robert Patrick's T-1000, almost) and her presence was great. A good villain, definitely.

Audio was a mixed bag. The music sucked (they even kinda botched the credits theme) but the sound effects were great.

Ilfirin: Just a note, AFAIK the T-1000 can't fully regenerate from one small piece of itself. (unlike other characters, such as DBZ's Cell) He has to have most of his body readily available.

 

[fbg1]

[SPOILERS]

Skynet as a worldwide distributed computer was interesting, but I have a problem with that. If true, then surely Skynet would not have launched nuclear missiles at all human cities, considering those cities are where the bulk of Skynet's computing power resides, be it home PC's or corporate and government hpc's. Skynet would have been destroying its own computing power in the process, and after having lost enough TFLOPS, it would surely have ceased to be self-aware. It would have been exterminating itself to much greater degree than its "enemy", humanity.

And is anyone else getting really annoyed with the ability of these purely metal machines (T-1000 and TX) to zip through the supposedly organic-material-only time machine as easily as humans?

As for the plot, imo, it was just T2 redux with a little more action. Terminators arrive -> terminators converge on primary target -> good terminator temporarily saves target & takes target away to safety -> target orders terminator back into the fray -> terminators converge, fight again, good one wins but both die anyway at the end, people live on to boldly face the future.

 

[Blade]

FBG1: There are many possible reasons for the liquid metal Terminators to be able to travel through time. A few theories:

A. Kyle Reese may have been wrong when he said that only living things can travel through time or Skynet discovered a way to make metal travel through time. (a way that Reese and/or the Resistance are unaware of)

B. The liquid metal may be a living thing on some level.

C. Perhaps the T-1000/TX are coated with a transparent living substance before travelling through time, or they initially came with a small layer of actual flesh. (which they immediately shed off after arriving or after they initially take damage)

 

[Deepak]

I wish Arnold do Predator3.

 

[P4-Fan]

I was disappointed, maybe because I saw the trailer before seeing the movie. But I also thought the jokes were a little played out. And there was no emotional attachment to the characters. I think it would have been much better if James Cameron had written/directed the movie.

 

[zurich]

Distributed Computing thing == Jab at non-centralized P2P file sharing services much?

That would mean.. MPAA/RIAA == SkyNet!

 

[fbg1]

The question is, why is only carbon-based material allowed through the time machine? Further, why is the T-800/850 with its metal endoskeleton allowed through? It must be that there is some surface effect that occurs, a reaction of the time device against unsealed metal objects that prevents the machine from working. The T-800's endoskeleton was sealed and isolated from whatever surface effect is occuring, which is why it can come through. Perhaps Skynet found a way to seal the metal of the T-1000 and TX as well. Your idea of a carbon/organic film that dissapates later is a possibility....

FBG1: There are many possible reasons for the liquid metal Terminators to be able to travel through time. A few theories:

A. Kyle Reese may have been wrong when he said that only living things can travel through time or Skynet discovered a way to make metal travel through time. (a way that Reese and/or the Resistance are unaware of)

B. The liquid metal may be a living thing on some level.

C. Perhaps the T-1000/TX are coated with a transparent living substance before travelling through time, or they initially came with a small layer of actual flesh. (which they immediately shed off after arriving or after they initially take damage)