pahcman said:
I'm not here to tell you what to look for in a videogame, smartass. Now, are you gonna stop playing the patronising prat that you are, chap?
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Tecmo Pres Praises Xbox Next , slams sony
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I'm not here to tell you what to look for in a videogame, smartass. Now, are you gonna stop playing the patronising prat that you are, chap?
Thanks.
What are you talking now? You have been vocally negative towards Tecmo games, so what levels of their gameplay are worst than the competition, which i have already asked earlier, are games bad based on actual gameplay or distanced impressions.
If you have played enough of comparable games, then you should be able to give good analysis or weakness and strenghts.
If not, then there is no reason to be openly negative just because the games seems to be there for the picking.
To be honest, DOA games with higher sexed up tibbits, are commonly to pick on.
If you have played enough of comparable games, then you should be able to give good analysis or weakness and strenghts.
If not, then there is no reason to be openly negative just because the games seems to be there for the picking.
To be honest, DOA games with higher sexed up tibbits, are commonly to pick on.
pahcman said:
To be honest the point of the discussion was never to discuss how DOA is different than the competition, and i care very little so i'm not going to bother explaining what many people think.
I think i've been very straightforward, i never said Tecmo games are bad, like you said, i never said ALL of their games are average, i even made it clear that if people like Tecmo's games, good for them!
Stop putting words in my mouth, cause i've been more than diplomatic about this, unlike you.
All i said is that apart from Ninja Gaiden and maby a few others, Tecmo games have done worse than the competition, both critically and commercially.
So, if you want to discuss personal preferences on specific games, do it in another thread.
If you really are "more diplomatic" than me, then there wont be several people questioning your replies in this very topic.
I dont care about others preferences, but when some feel soo strongly and repetitively against certain subjects then they better have good reasons to back up, if not it would seem they are trolling.
So everyone if you feel very opinated on something, do tell more, else please practise good tolerance. Sure all will agree with me. Thanks.
I dont care about others preferences, but when some feel soo strongly and repetitively against certain subjects then they better have good reasons to back up, if not it would seem they are trolling.
So everyone if you feel very opinated on something, do tell more, else please practise good tolerance. Sure all will agree with me. Thanks.
Whatever Chap.
Saying a game is critically and commercially average is not an opinion, it's fact.
Very few games from Tecmo are both critically and commercially competitive. Critically, you can go look at gamerankings.com and see the average score from tens of reviews in websites. Commercially, you can go look at the sales figures.
If you think i'm trolling just because i'm saying that, then maybe you should be less defensive and see there is nothing wrong in saying that. I've been accused of worse in the past, so i'm not really bothered.
Saying a game is critically and commercially average is not an opinion, it's fact.
Very few games from Tecmo are both critically and commercially competitive. Critically, you can go look at gamerankings.com and see the average score from tens of reviews in websites. Commercially, you can go look at the sales figures.
If you think i'm trolling just because i'm saying that, then maybe you should be less defensive and see there is nothing wrong in saying that. I've been accused of worse in the past, so i'm not really bothered.
Tecmo games averages 70-80% i just seen. Every company have duds to pull down averages. Negatively scored compare to competition? no.
Commerically they are not as strong sure, critically...? just how are we to judge. Gamerankings? Right here we already have people fairly satisfied with Tecmo games. Fact? I think not.
Either way, Tecmo have every rights to speak out.
Thus, im not defensive at all, current negativity levels not justifed. Case close.
Commerically they are not as strong sure, critically...? just how are we to judge. Gamerankings? Right here we already have people fairly satisfied with Tecmo games. Fact? I think not.
Either way, Tecmo have every rights to speak out.
Thus, im not defensive at all, current negativity levels not justifed. Case close.
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TYPICAL RESPONSE of a Company that is clearly bought out by another. Later when Sony or Nintendo gets them. it will be MS sucks as we rule.
YeuEmMaiMai said:
was it any diffrent when the companys spoke out on behalf of the ps2 vs the dreamcast ?
Nope
IF tihs company doesn't like the things sony is doing , its for them to say not you .
If you don't like thier games and like the playstation 3s line up it shouldn't bother you . If you like this games and can't live with out them then you will have to buy 2 systems
There are a number of problems that affect the DoA's to certain degrees (I'm mainly familiar with DoA2 and DoAU though--not as much DoA3, but I think it runs pretty close to form).
* Counters in general come out faster, have a longer active duration, do more damage, and are faster to recover from (and hence for an opponent to respond to a miss) than they should be. Oh yes, and unreversable.
* Throws in general come out a lot faster, and do a lot more damage than they should. And are inescapable.
Both these tend to make the game turn into more of a turtle match the more you know about the game.
As well, too many of the normal moves do disproportionately strong damage and have too-good tracking properties, which counters what's supposed to be one of the stronger features of 3D games versus 2D games--sidestepping. (Some exceptions exist, of course, like Hayate's fast-as-nuts one with this guy used to beat the top players in Japan in DoA3, admitting he had only started playing the game a few weeks earlier.)
Even the boards themselves--while busier and more imaginative than other games--add a bit of annoyace, as it punishes one in the corner by adding extra damage and giving the opportunity to tack on more combo strings...
What DoA tends to be is faster, more frentic, and has the tendency to even out player skills with more randomness (though two more experienced characters will seem to go off in their own direction trying to abuse the strong points). It's certainly no "party game" in the way SSBM is; nor is it trying to be, nor--obviously--does Tecmo or Team Ninja WANT it to be. It is trying to be more friendly and accessable to general fighting game players, but the problem is even though that's what they're targetting, and they deliver it in the best-looking package, and they can show off many modes, boards, and deliver a solid online experience, AND they deliver the best boobies in the biz...
The sales just don't bear out that they're tapping the general public they're aiming for. And in the meanwhile, they are missing most of the hardcore community that looks at every new fighting game as another opportunity to suck every bit of marrow from it and give them something new and cool to fixate on.
They need to change their gameplan somehow.
* Counters in general come out faster, have a longer active duration, do more damage, and are faster to recover from (and hence for an opponent to respond to a miss) than they should be. Oh yes, and unreversable.
* Throws in general come out a lot faster, and do a lot more damage than they should. And are inescapable.
Both these tend to make the game turn into more of a turtle match the more you know about the game.
As well, too many of the normal moves do disproportionately strong damage and have too-good tracking properties, which counters what's supposed to be one of the stronger features of 3D games versus 2D games--sidestepping. (Some exceptions exist, of course, like Hayate's fast-as-nuts one with this guy used to beat the top players in Japan in DoA3, admitting he had only started playing the game a few weeks earlier.)
Even the boards themselves--while busier and more imaginative than other games--add a bit of annoyace, as it punishes one in the corner by adding extra damage and giving the opportunity to tack on more combo strings...
What DoA tends to be is faster, more frentic, and has the tendency to even out player skills with more randomness (though two more experienced characters will seem to go off in their own direction trying to abuse the strong points). It's certainly no "party game" in the way SSBM is; nor is it trying to be, nor--obviously--does Tecmo or Team Ninja WANT it to be. It is trying to be more friendly and accessable to general fighting game players, but the problem is even though that's what they're targetting, and they deliver it in the best-looking package, and they can show off many modes, boards, and deliver a solid online experience, AND they deliver the best boobies in the biz...
The sales just don't bear out that they're tapping the general public they're aiming for. And in the meanwhile, they are missing most of the hardcore community that looks at every new fighting game as another opportunity to suck every bit of marrow from it and give them something new and cool to fixate on.They need to change their gameplan somehow.
YeuEmMaiMai
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Point is if you are slamming a company becuase of a real issue, that is ok to slam a company becuase another company gives you cash to develop exclusively for their system is crap. One day you will understand...
It would be just as accurate to say something like "Microsoft offers us a better development environment than Sony" (this is actually the case because of the large amt of $$ they got)
It would be just as accurate to say something like "Microsoft offers us a better development environment than Sony" (this is actually the case because of the large amt of $$ they got)
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YeuEmMaiMai
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I do not buy ea games and I really do not follow them so I am kinda ignorant of their business tactics. I would hold the same view if it was any other company in tecmo's position and saying the same things...
Long gone are the days where companies state something along the lines of "it is great to work with company X because we have Y in common and want similar things for Z
Long gone are the days where companies state something along the lines of "it is great to work with company X because we have Y in common and want similar things for Z
jvd said:
And IF that was the case, then would Sony not have their reasons to do what they did? Maybe the DOA game wouldnt exactly sell like hotcakes, seen how badly fighting game have been selling on Ps2, consequence of the fact that there are LOADS of them on Ps2. DOA would be "just another one". And needless to say, PS2 already has the Tekken, Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter series.
Besides, Tecmo does release lots of games on Sony's platform... So i'm not sure this is about Tecmo "hating" Sony.
YeuEmMaiMai
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you are missing the point.
I think it is not cool for any company to slam another (unless the company released something that was a danger to consumers such as the ford pinto or a total scam like the Savage 2000).
If Sony and Temco had a deal that fell out then that is really not a reason.... what happens when X-box dies and sony and Nintendo are the only ones left? Then they have a few choices
1. go with the N
2. Kiss Sony's large rear
3. leave home console and concentrate on Arcade only (a declining area)
Things would be a lot better if people and companies where not constantly bashing or trying to out trash talk the other.
I think it is not cool for any company to slam another (unless the company released something that was a danger to consumers such as the ford pinto or a total scam like the Savage 2000).
If Sony and Temco had a deal that fell out then that is really not a reason.... what happens when X-box dies and sony and Nintendo are the only ones left? Then they have a few choices
1. go with the N
2. Kiss Sony's large rear
3. leave home console and concentrate on Arcade only (a declining area)
Things would be a lot better if people and companies where not constantly bashing or trying to out trash talk the other.
jvd said:
Thats what you think
Temco feels they have a right to say whatever they want about sony .
Do we know its true ? No , but its what temco thinks .
We listen to companys kiss sonys butt all the time , so why shouldn't we listen to those who slam them ?
Its a double standard .
I never see any of you complain when a company leaves nintendo and says something bad about them or a negative about the nintendo system .
Temco feels they have a right to say whatever they want about sony .
Do we know its true ? No , but its what temco thinks .
We listen to companys kiss sonys butt all the time , so why shouldn't we listen to those who slam them ?
Its a double standard .
I never see any of you complain when a company leaves nintendo and says something bad about them or a negative about the nintendo system .
For a while I was wondering why recent installments never appeared in Japanese arcades. Now I know why.
Since this thread was resurrected for whatever reason....I think most people read too much into the 'Tecmo prez critisizes' issue. It really is more of a political issue than anything else.
To illustrate....
Around end-sep/early oct last year, news started trickling out from tokyopia that some people are starting to get PS3 details.
In late oct/early nov Koei announced Oni for PS3.
If Koei received *something*, we can safely infer that the following did too - Konami, Capcom, Namco, Square-Enix, Level5, etc.
Obviously Tecmo isn't in the list.
We can intepret this in either 2 ways. This was a deliberate insult. Or even it was not, and Sony only wanted the 'top' studios to receive *whatever it was*, it could still be intepreted by the unhappy party as an insult. Note that assuming a studio such as Fromsoftware got *something*, it will definitely bite, as both From and Tecmo are comparable(more or less) in terms of scale-of-operations, 'gaming clout', etc.
And that's how it probably is. Politics, or petty quarrel, or whatever it is called. Personally I won't think too much about it.
PS: *something* can be official data, dev documentation etc, not necessarily hardware.
Some harsh words for Tecmo on this thread.
While they're not one of the big guys (Nintendo, Konami, Capcom, etc), they have a history as a good developer and have had some great titles released this gen.
I'm sure that Tecmo has its own reasons to make this comments, but we don't know for sure what's happening behind the curtains, and even in the most probable scenario, Tecmo has the right to make whatever decision they want.
While they're not one of the big guys (Nintendo, Konami, Capcom, etc), they have a history as a good developer and have had some great titles released this gen.
I'm sure that Tecmo has its own reasons to make this comments, but we don't know for sure what's happening behind the curtains, and even in the most probable scenario, Tecmo has the right to make whatever decision they want.
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