How we can check, if acclaimed 1.84Tfops PS4 advantage from leaks is real (may be these flops for APU total)?And in real life MS and Sony use same APU ,and the only difference there is RAM-ESRAM setup?
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Technical Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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If it was special sauce, why didn't Sony use it too? They were considering it as Cerny stated.
No, whoever had that theory that Sony bet on GDDR5 being cheap enough to be viable was right.
Sony's bet paid off.
ESRAM is there simply to provide the bandwidth necessary for a games console since DDR3 isn't going to cut it. Sure it's low latency and that's going to help with certain things but it's not going to be a magic bullet.
You have to remember that, before anything else, ESRAM has to compensate for the 108 GB/s bw deficit compared to PS4's GDDR5 and there's only 32 MBs of it.
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awesome killzone is coming to the xbox one ! lol
crazy how much from ms is at 1080p 60 fps . I wonder whats going on.
Well again this basically boils down to "agree to disagree".
But who knows why Sony did there thing, Cerny also talked of 1 TB BW stacked RAM combined with gddr5 on a 128 bus being considered by them, which doesn't even make sense cause you cant get 8gb with 128 bus they would have been automatically limited to 4. so basically cerny was just spitballing in that interview it didn't make too much actual sense.
also, if rumors are right xbone has 66% the gpu resources of ps4, so it only needs 116gb/s to have equivalent bw to ps4...108 gb/s deficit is a misnomer. at that point it's 48 gb/s...
wii u probably shoulda done xbone design with no esram, just lived with 68 gb/s. prolly woulda been super cheap and still ten miles above wii u.
BTW I am not trying to say "I know ESRAM can help XBone GPU punch above it's weight a lot" I'm saying "it might, it seems like a possibility to some degree or other". and that degree might be only 10% too.
it's dat ESRAM!
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I was actually going to say the same thing, funny. the list of 60 fps is interesting. It has been said that microsoft isn't enforcing requirements....does this mean developers will go willy nilly on 60 fps? :smile2:
I agree with interference, but that doesn't mean it comes without side benefits, such as the ones that sebbbi (iirc) outlined, where it could function as a large low latency cache for certain computations, where it could then outperform the PS4. Certainly enough though it will be a juggling act with helping keep the data flowing.
The most interesting I think is that I'm assuming developers are finally seeing the competitive importance of 60fps for getting a bigger slice of the Call of Duty pie.
How many games will be 60fps at 1080p without upscaling, we'll see.
The most interesting I think is that I'm assuming developers are finally seeing the competitive importance of 60fps for getting a bigger slice of the Call of Duty pie.
How many games will be 60fps at 1080p without upscaling, we'll see.
That list is jacked. Arkham Origin isn't coming to either next gen platform. DriveClub is 60fps.
BF4 is 60FPS on both platforms. CoD:Ghost is 1080p, 60fps on both platforms.
I think I read an interview regarding drive club, its 30fps at the moment but they are aiming for 60.
Good visual comparison of XBOX One's and PS4's external dimensions:
http://www.gamingreality.com/2013/06/ps4-vs-xbox-one-console-size-comparison.html
Xbox one is really bulky in comparison (especially from the front); but that should at least make for pretty silent cooling?
PS4's design keeps growing on me. It's a pitty it's all plastic, though (even if that was to be expected).
http://www.gamingreality.com/2013/06/ps4-vs-xbox-one-console-size-comparison.html
Xbox one is really bulky in comparison (especially from the front); but that should at least make for pretty silent cooling?
PS4's design keeps growing on me. It's a pitty it's all plastic, though (even if that was to be expected).
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I really want to see the final version of all the Xbox1 and PS4 games running on the actual hardware. Then, we'll make a fair comparison. Have seen so many downgrades to trust them now.
I wouldn't call the ESRAM a cache and I doubt MS is telling people to put the frame buffer in DDR3 unless you don't consider the G-buffer to be part of the frame buffer. On a forward renderer I expect the depth and color buffers to be in ESRAM.
It's far to early to tell who made the best decision as we don't know what GDDR5 and DDR3 prices will be over the lifetime of the console.
We don't even know what the price for GDDR5 is right now ...
Why is 1080P 60fps crazy? The XB1 is supposed to be 6x the 360 power, so they are pushing ~4x the pixels going from 720P 30fps. I'm hoping there is more to next gen then just the same effects with more pixels.
If GT5 is 1280x1080 60fps, why is FM5 being 1920x1080 60fps a magical feat? It should be expected, not surprising.
look at dead rising at 1080p 30 fps it a not only 4 times the pixels of last gen but it has much higher res textures and a ton more things happening on screen at once.
Also look at last gen's transition from ps2/xbox to xbox 360 and compare it to this one.
That's ~2.2x the pixels. The resolution going up is not surprising, for PS2->PS3 gen the jump was higher (3x for 480P). With 1080P being the ceiling any extra horsepower has to be used somewhere else, but most games never went near 1080P this gen.
Heat pipes are sealed. You can see the "crimped"/soldered ends (one of the ends of each pipe.) So everything is sealed inside. Neat little idea that works well.
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