Sony Halo, KILLzone hype thread!
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Like it or not, well implemented BM does add depth to the graphics. And that is another reason why Xbox graphics will pull further away with cool BM techniques usage. 
Take a look at these 2 simple B3D link
http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/nv34/images/sc_5200.jpg
http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/nv34/images/sc_mx.jpg
Take a look at these 2 simple B3D link
http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/nv34/images/sc_5200.jpg
http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/nv34/images/sc_mx.jpg
I have yet to play SCell, but is the water that much better than that seen, in say MGS2:SoL that was DOT3 free? Granted it wasn't a fragment effect, and I hate it when people (much like I'm doing now) post a responce pointing out a single game as "proof", but perhaps Chap should use an example that's more clear-cut than this.
MGS2 sunset water was actually pretty damn cool. Not only it looked real nice, but it's the inherent simplicity behind How it was done that makes me appreciate it all the more.
Either way, it's a moot point, as the particular effect from SC is not particularly expensive to reproduce on PS2. The questionable part is the wisdom in spending extra effort coding specialized water shader in a non-water based game.
Erh guys, that water image is just a simple(ie convenient ) example of BM. BM or shader effects on a whole, is pretty cool when used right. That is the point, and not just about the water.
I can post more effective images, but i am sure all the graphics whores would have seen the coolness of shaders effect already. Nice evolution in home graphics rendering imo, a good advantage for hardware supported over one that does not.
) example of BM. BM or shader effects on a whole, is pretty cool when used right. That is the point, and not just about the water. I can post more effective images, but i am sure all the graphics whores would have seen the coolness of shaders effect already. Nice evolution in home graphics rendering imo, a good advantage for hardware supported over one that does not.
marconelly!
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Jak & Daxter was probably worse
chaphack said:Erh guys, that water image is just a simple(ie convenient
while I generally agree, the 'water' example you poosted is faulty since having lazt ass fallbacks in DX falls to illustrate that there are alternatives to BM wrt rendering water.
see, my problem with bump mapping is that it's still "mapping" to a flat ass polygon....
personally the best looking realtime water i've ever seen was the one in the Demo that came when buying a PS2, called "find my own way", wonder if anyone remembers, the song in the background gave the title to the demo... it was an extremely well done Demo, much better than the usual "face demo" or "car demo".. this one showed what can be done in terms of special effects with a machine whose strength is polygons and particles.
the water in that demo was by far the best looking thing i've ever seen rendered in realtime. the movement, the refractions, the specular maps.... it just looks so GOOD. all rendered with LOADS of particles flying around. LOADS as in the hundreds of thousands...
also the demo showed what is probably millions of particles in the "comet" scene... that is one cool representation... there's just so many particles flying around it's not even funny....
as i said, REALLY REALLY good demo, both technically and artistically.... i would be stuck in front of the TV/monitor watching it... mesmerised by those particle effects... of course no game would show that amount of particles in game, but one day i would love a game with that look. it's almost hypnotic (SP?)
personally the best looking realtime water i've ever seen was the one in the Demo that came when buying a PS2, called "find my own way", wonder if anyone remembers, the song in the background gave the title to the demo... it was an extremely well done Demo, much better than the usual "face demo" or "car demo".. this one showed what can be done in terms of special effects with a machine whose strength is polygons and particles.
the water in that demo was by far the best looking thing i've ever seen rendered in realtime. the movement, the refractions, the specular maps.... it just looks so GOOD. all rendered with LOADS of particles flying around. LOADS as in the hundreds of thousands...
also the demo showed what is probably millions of particles in the "comet" scene... that is one cool representation... there's just so many particles flying around it's not even funny....
as i said, REALLY REALLY good demo, both technically and artistically.... i would be stuck in front of the TV/monitor watching it... mesmerised by those particle effects... of course no game would show that amount of particles in game, but one day i would love a game with that look. it's almost hypnotic (SP?)
while I agree low poly/BM graphics have issues. high poly/highres BM tends to resolves that quite nicely.
the only drawback back incorrect shadows where using stencils (which applies to displacement mapping anyway).
of course if we had the horsepower wed render everything procedurally using a gazzillion polygons now
the only drawback back incorrect shadows where using stencils (which applies to displacement mapping anyway).
of course if we had the horsepower wed render everything procedurally using a gazzillion polygons now
PS2 Splashdown had a really good water too, much better than xb Blood Wake's BM'd 'water'
I also liked MGS2 water, even though it wasn't interactive. I spent ages staring at the storming waves in the tanker (on the deck, the place where you could throw enemies into the water throug that small 'door')
Isn't displacement mapping officially supported by PS2. I remember seeing it in some tech specs.
It probably is not effective to use it extensively for small details though.
Edit: back to topic, I hope Kin has nice water
I also liked MGS2 water, even though it wasn't interactive. I spent ages staring at the storming waves in the tanker (on the deck, the place where you could throw enemies into the water throug that small 'door')
Isn't displacement mapping officially supported by PS2. I remember seeing it in some tech specs.
It probably is not effective to use it extensively for small details though.
Edit: back to topic, I hope Kin has nice water
Evil_Cloud
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Wow, that pic looks quite sweet
Nano soldiers ^^
Nano soldiers ^^
