Sony: 2M PS3s shipped
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What about Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm?
To you maybe, but they're obviously worth that much to a lot of people who bought the PS3 even without them!
Value is personal, i won't say this enough.
Having said that, PS3 is definitely too expensive for its own good and things will have to change soon or Sony will get a good kicking this time around.
"To you maybe, but they're obviously worth that much to a lot of people who bought the PS3 even without them!"
They may have value to current PS3 owners but these aren't system sellers to the mainstream or people who don't own a PS3, sorry these aren't the type of games that will garner a mass interest in spending 600$ on a system.
They may have value to current PS3 owners but these aren't system sellers to the mainstream or people who don't own a PS3, sorry these aren't the type of games that will garner a mass interest in spending 600$ on a system.
You are partially right but not completely.
Well checking IGN and Gamespot reviews, most good 360 games are First Person Shooters, Action Shooters, Racing games, and sports games. Many of these are multiplatform (alsp planned for PS3) or PC ports. A great deal of them are the typical generic games. The real system seller for 360 is GoW
Just like the PS3 its the forthcoming 360 games(+GoW) that make me want to get a 360. If I were a casual and GoW didnt exist I would have prefered a 360 due to the bigger library.
Motorstorm and especially HS worth more than many of 360 games IMO. They are new, original, different and only for PS3. For me they are worth every penny. Especially HS. Besides you wont pay $600 and stay with one game forever, and with no extra benefits. So the arguement "that title isnt worth $600" only tells half of the story and avoids a great deal of facts, and logic.
PS3 and 360 have similar values if people are 100% informed. 360 has the benefit though that it accumulated more good titles, a bigger library of good games for people to choose from. The typical consumer likes variety. And a good price.
The problem here isnt solely the PS3's expensive price. There is also another reason for some people hesitating and that has to do with a bigger mistake Sony is doing.
Thats lack of information.
PS3 is $600 but it offers more than just BD and games.
There are things that might justify the PS3's price in many people's minds if they get informed.
When I mention to casual people Linux, WiFi and the downloadable content on the PS3 people are like "whoah since when?
" Some dont even know the controller has motion sensing capabilities. But even worse and most importantly many people dont have the slightest idea about PS3 games.Warhawk? Heavenly Sword? Motorstorm? sometimes even Resistence! They dont know them.
WE in forums may be informed on everything but the majority of people dont have the complete information we ve got.
So how do these people get the information? First hand experience in stores. Casual people go in stores they see tons of 360's and special offers like premium+Gears of War (very tempting), tons of 360 games, and 360 games on displays. PS3 currently has only Resistance and RR7 as its best games and in total games are extremely few.
So the casual only sees a price tag and a couple of games. Perhaps he will also notice PS3 has BR. Well they might even wonder what the hell that is. Thats the only information he gets. Oh and that its the next Playstation.
The biggest incentive for casuals to get one is the Playstation reputation because thats the only information they can get by themselves. Employees in stores wont put the effort to inform EVERY consumer on every possible aspect. Thats Sony's job. Not the poor worker's job in a shop.
If we take me for example who is 100% informed on both consoles I know that the first game I ll get if I get a 360, is GoW. I ll play it to death because I want it deadly. Most likely I ll get another good game and in a GREAT price all of them. Great value.
PS3 though is more complicated. If I get a PS3 now, I ll get Resistence. Ok its a nice game. Its more than satisfactory and better than CoD3 but not special. GoW is a lot better game. That title alone not worth time and money for some months until some other good games are released. But if I wait I know that if I get a PS3 in March VF5, Resistence, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword plus other good 360 games will be available on PS3. If you ask me thats a great start. Once I get the PS3 first thing I ll do is download Linux, downoad GT:HD, probably buy Tekken DR, and play one or two of the great games I got, probably Heavenly Sword that might make use of the Sixaxis. Sure I ll pay more than a 360 and have a smaller variety of games, but it will have enough great games plus extras that will justify my purchase.
The casual though will see a Gears of War offer, 360's library and its price. Then he will compare it to the pricy PS3, see games he never heard about, notice a smaller library and have no idea about anything else regarding the PS3. Quite clearly he will see 360 as the better choice. Even if that casual buys the PS3 he might unintentionally ignore some of its features.
So what Sony should do is stop being lazy and begin a campaign to inform people. Sony are behaving like morons really. They are naive and expect things to work automatically by themselves.
They should first push that rock called "PS3" up to the tip of the mountain called "information" and then let it roll by itself to a bright future than push it until they reach the middle of the mountain and expect it to move by itself because at the end THAT rock will fall unto theirselves.
How do you know if MS or HS won't become a hits like say TR, halo or GT etc because those games certainly weren't looking to be system sellers or mainstream hits .
"How do you know if MS or HS won't become a hits like say TR, halo or GT etc because those games certainly weren't looking to be system sellers or mainstream hits ."
600$ entry point,
Thats the difference, TR, Halo or GT did not require a 600$ entry point. Even on equal price footing MS and HS are not the type of games that are genre changing that everyone will be talking about. Add the 600$ entry point and you have got to be crazy to think these two games are going to sell large amounts of systems to the masses who don't already own a PS3.
FF and MGS are the types of games that may make average users spend 600$ to play, MS and HS are not in the same category.
600$ entry point,
Thats the difference, TR, Halo or GT did not require a 600$ entry point. Even on equal price footing MS and HS are not the type of games that are genre changing that everyone will be talking about. Add the 600$ entry point and you have got to be crazy to think these two games are going to sell large amounts of systems to the masses who don't already own a PS3.
FF and MGS are the types of games that may make average users spend 600$ to play, MS and HS are not in the same category.
What do you think these games need to belong into that category? Just asking btw not trying to attack
"What do you think these games need to belong into that category? Just asking btw not trying to attack"
Problem is neither game is in a genre that tends to sell a lot of consoles. Off-Road racing is a niche genre, HS being a quasi fighting game is in a genre that is on the decline and neither game shows anything unbelievable to the masses that has not been done before.
Even a new Tekken or GT5 may have a hard time selling a lot of PS3's at 600$ MS and HS will have an even harder time.
Neither game breaks any molds or is getting the huge type of hype that Gears got.
Problem is neither game is in a genre that tends to sell a lot of consoles. Off-Road racing is a niche genre, HS being a quasi fighting game is in a genre that is on the decline and neither game shows anything unbelievable to the masses that has not been done before.
Even a new Tekken or GT5 may have a hard time selling a lot of PS3's at 600$ MS and HS will have an even harder time.
Neither game breaks any molds or is getting the huge type of hype that Gears got.
Fu3lFr3nzy
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Exactly. Its like all they do in presentations/interviews is "yeah, we have games coming out, but have you heard of our awesome cell processor?", nobody gives a crap about that!
The mainstream isnt buying a Cellstation3, theyre buying a PS3 for the main reason of games and maybe the other features but to a much lesser extent.
Their boring commercials arent exactly helping out the product either. 360 commercials make you want to buy the game asap while the "play b3yond" commercials make people go "wtf was that?
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Entry point is $499.
At this time. Hello people. This should be known by now.
EDIT: And that's the U.S. In Japan it is $399.
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Kutaragi also said that the company would need to revise its shipping estimates for the calendar year, lowering them from 4 million units to 2 million units. However, Kutaragi said that this was only a temporary delay, saying that the company was still committed to shipping 6 million consoles by the end of March. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060906-7672.html (first link)
"2 million to ship worldwide during the launch window. 4 million by end of calendar year 2006. By March 31, 2007 they'll have shipped 6 million worldwide."
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/08/e3-ps3-launch-details/ (4th link)
Maybe you should read my link and swanlee post more closely. I provided the links not for only proof of revision but with redundancy to ensure you won't question one link's reliability to refute my post.
Well with 7% sales tax total price about 598 dollars and some change. (Just nitpicking really
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LoL arwin you should have know that sony is only going to sell the 600euro version in europe so the entry point IS NOT 499.
Johnny Awesome
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Well I'm expecting that MS/Sony/Nintendo will be able to sell about 180 million units between them this generation. Which is about a 15% increase or so. How that shakes out is anyone's guess, but my current projection is 75 million PS3's, 60 million X360s, and 45 million Wii's. That's about a 42/33/25 split. Originally before the X360 even game out I predicted a 50/35/15 split, but I think that Nintendo is going to do better than I had expected and MS/Sony will do a little worse.
ps3 shipment numbers now at 3 million
according to sony though.
personally any shipment or sold numbers by sony, ms or nintendo arent worth the paper theyre written on but still the janurary NPD numbers are gonna be very interesting
im guessing
wii 900k, ps3 600k, xb360 300k ps2 200k
perhaps we should run a prediction table players get one point for being within 10% of the NPD numbers
itll be a fun monthly diversion, i wouldnt mind hosting it
oh yeah the wii2 will come on during 2009, ild stake my favourite guitar on it
according to sony though.
personally any shipment or sold numbers by sony, ms or nintendo arent worth the paper theyre written on but still the janurary NPD numbers are gonna be very interesting
im guessing
wii 900k, ps3 600k, xb360 300k ps2 200k
perhaps we should run a prediction table players get one point for being within 10% of the NPD numbers
itll be a fun monthly diversion, i wouldnt mind hosting it
oh yeah the wii2 will come on during 2009, ild stake my favourite guitar on it
"but my current projection is 75 million PS3's, 60 million X360s, and 45 million Wii's."
How? I just don't see the PS3 selling that much, it will take them longer than anyone to get to the magical $199 mass market price and current sales number don't indicate the PS3 even catching up to the WII let alone outselling all 3. Only way the PS3 sells 75 million is if they extent the life of the unit to about 2013 at this rate and by then it becomes irrelevant.
"wii 900k, ps3 600k, xb360 300k ps2 200k"
Where are these numbers coming from? Do you think the 360 is just going to tank from 1.1 million to 300,000 in a month while the PS3 sells that much even though there are a ton of PS3's currently sitting on store shelves?
I simply don't understand given current pricing and selling conditions over exaggerating what the PS3 will sell and just tanking on the 360. The 360 has a lot of momentum and the PS3 is still priced to high.
How? I just don't see the PS3 selling that much, it will take them longer than anyone to get to the magical $199 mass market price and current sales number don't indicate the PS3 even catching up to the WII let alone outselling all 3. Only way the PS3 sells 75 million is if they extent the life of the unit to about 2013 at this rate and by then it becomes irrelevant.
"wii 900k, ps3 600k, xb360 300k ps2 200k"
Where are these numbers coming from? Do you think the 360 is just going to tank from 1.1 million to 300,000 in a month while the PS3 sells that much even though there are a ton of PS3's currently sitting on store shelves?
I simply don't understand given current pricing and selling conditions over exaggerating what the PS3 will sell and just tanking on the 360. The 360 has a lot of momentum and the PS3 is still priced to high.
