Shane Bettenhausen (1up) rumours canned 360 project?*

MS's financial strategy appears to have been built on quicksand. With no Halo 3 in 2008--and no Mass Effect, Forza Motorsport 2, PGR4, Bioshock [2K] either--MGS doesn't appear to have the titles one-up 2007, even with GOW2. And with a total marketshare that probably won't exceed the mid-twenty million range in consoles sold they won't be reaping the sort of royalties Sony did with the PS2 and PS1. Their console remains overpriced with laughable price movement, horrid perephrial pricing, and high priced games which require you to pay to [correction] play online. You can see how the Wii and PS3 respond to that. And while Sony is in deep, deep trouble with the PS3, MS has allowed them to hang around. It gets a few killer apps, moves some hardware in Japan and Europe and continues to drive toward some price parity with the Premium in 2008 ... yep, totally mismanaged situation.

There are plenty of titles for 2009 for the 360.

You have Splinter Cell Conviction, GTA4, Alan Wake, Halo Wars, BK and Fable 2 in MS lineup for 2009. This holiday season is a very important one and MS's concentration on its 2008 lineup marketing wise thus far is very understandable.

No one has any idea how much marketshare MS will have this generation. However, MS has generated enough sales to warranted targets above the mid 20 million range. MS with average holidays numbers (1.5 for NA, .75 for Pal and .15 for Japan) would put it near ~ 15 million at the end of 2007. You honestly believe that MS will only move 10 million consoles between 2008-2011.

Overlap the overall timeline of the current gen with the last current gen then compare Xbox versus the 360. At this point in time the 360 is two years old with ~6.7 million consoles (Sep 2007) in the US while the xbox was just a year old with ~2.8 million consoles (Sep 2002). Compare any number of different variables and you see the 360 outperforming the xbox. This is just from overlapping the timeline using the US console launches, use the PS2's japan launch against the Xbox US's launch and the 360 trumphs the xbox even more. This all represents a very major upgrade over last generation for MS.

You might not agree with the pricing strategy of MS, but its more than likely a symptom of trying to bring profitability to its platform. Profitability is the name of the game and it holds priority over all other aspects of the market even market leadership. We have seen a number of players disappear from the console hardware game and one thing seem to be common. The inability to maintain profitability without major marketshare. Nintendo has been the only player in the console game that has been able profit with less than 35-40 million consoles on the market. With all the "horrible pricing" you attach to the platform, MS is just now having its first profitable quarter with the 360. MS had literally no ability to be more competitive by reducing the price of its consoles and peripherals without incurring further losses.
 
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There're two proprietary software platforms, Microsoft and Apple. The last thing Microsoft wants to do is bury Sony in the console market. They just want them contained, afterall, Sony is a great buffer against any encroachment by Apple. If market conditions change, Microsoft can put the pedal to the metal on a moments notice.


Sony is a domesticated cat that has been declawed.

Apple is a Siberian Tiger on the prowl.



For 2008 Microsoft has Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, and Alan Wake. Who knows what other games they haven't revealed to be Microsoft published or end up as timed exclusive?

Project Offset?

Cipher Complex?

Airtights games (ex-Microsoft Crimson skies people) undeclared title?


They're all large companies with their own agenda's. 'Controlling' Sony isnt really an option. Sony is a much bigger company than Apple, which tends to punch above its weight. Plus Sony owns far more content (music, plus film and game licences) which it can leverage to its advantage. Its also sold a couple hundred million consoles up to this point in time. Therefore, it poses a much bigger threat to MS's idea of living room supremacy than Apple does.
 
with Ensemble Studios behind Halo Wars i'd have to say i'd be pretty shocked if that got axed. They've been steadly pumping out quality RTS since their first AOE game back in 1995. The only thing i could see holding them back from a 360 release would be if they ran into control scheme issues with what they wanted to do, even then im quite sure they'd bounce it straight to the PC which wouldnt exactly qualify as the project being cancelled.


What the hell is Marvel Universe Online? Sounds like a flop waiting to happen if you ask me!
 
Sony is a much bigger company than Apple
Not true (or it depends on what metric you're using).

Sony has less than half the market cap of Apple and 15% of the operating income. They're larger in the sense that they own more actual stuff, have 8 times the employees, and 2.8 times the revenue, but as it stands; if one of them were to purchase the other it would be Apple devouring Sony.

Of course, only four years ago this was very, very different.
 
What the hell is Marvel Universe Online? Sounds like a flop waiting to happen if you ask me!

Agreed.

If there's one title that stands out as a candidate it's the Marvel MMO.

You know, the game announced 2 years ago that has not released a single screen, preview, update or anything since that time??

I highly doubt it's too human, as they just staged a huge press showing 4 weeks ago, and reactions from journalists were very positive.
 
Agreed.

If there's one title that stands out as a candidate it's the Marvel MMO.

You know, the game announced 2 years ago that has not released a single screen, preview, update or anything since that time??

I highly doubt it's too human, as they just staged a huge press showing 4 weeks ago, and reactions from journalists were very positive.

Marvel MMO is being develop by Cryptic Studios who developed City of Heroes and City of Villians. Cryptic also just sold the intellectual rights of CH and CV to NCSoft just this month, so unless its working on a secret project noone knows about, then Marvel Universe is all its working on. With the success of City of Heroes and the backing of Marvel Comics its doubtful that this project is being cancelled at most maybe there will be a change of publishers.
 
Both the super-hero MMOs are very quiet. I'd have thought given the size of the Marvel IP, it'd be a reasonably strong draw for an MMO, but also by that standard it'd be very constrained to the Marvel universe versus CoH. You're not going to get to play Spiderman or Wolverine as every other person will be wanting to play these Marvel characters, so you'll presumably be left as filler as an over-saturated hero population? Sony's DC MMO is in a worse position as its not as big a franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if a re-evaluation of the MMO market didn't consider a super-hero game locked to a franchise as too weak against CoH/CoV and it got pulled. Cryptic may well be working on something as yet unheard of, funded by the sale of CoH, if they want a change of direction or to try something divergent in the MMO sector.
 
Both the super-hero MMOs are very quiet. I'd have thought given the size of the Marvel IP, it'd be a reasonably strong draw for an MMO, but also by that standard it'd be very constrained to the Marvel universe versus CoH. You're not going to get to play Spiderman or Wolverine as every other person will be wanting to play these Marvel characters, so you'll presumably be left as filler as an over-saturated hero population? Sony's DC MMO is in a worse position as its not as big a franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if a re-evaluation of the MMO market didn't consider a super-hero game locked to a franchise as too weak against CoH/CoV and it got pulled. Cryptic may well be working on something as yet unheard of, funded by the sale of CoH, if they want a change of direction or to try something divergent in the MMO sector.

I was thinking that too until I realized that depending on the design of the game that can be neutralized.

If you are a hero then battling well known Marvel villians can be an option and vice versa. If you are a villian then battling well known Marvel heroes is an option.

This is a huge advantage over COH and COV with MUO giving players access to all the mechanics of COH/COV but doing so within the Marvel universe with interaction with all the well known Marvel characters.
 
Marvel MMO is being develop by Cryptic Studios who developed City of Heroes and City of Villians. Cryptic also just sold the intellectual rights of CH and CV to NCSoft just this month, so unless its working on a secret project noone knows about, then Marvel Universe is all its working on. With the success of City of Heroes and the backing of Marvel Comics its doubtful that this project is being cancelled at most maybe there will be a change of publishers.

So where is it?

Two years, dedicated to a single project, is a couple of screenshots too much to be expcted?

Is there any other game announced in 2005 that hasn't had a single screenshot or preview in the last two years??

I dunno, it just seems like the obvious choice to me.

Although, my real money is still on a) Shane is full of crap.
 
So where is it?

Two years, dedicated to a single project, is a couple of screenshots too much to be expcted?

Is there any other game announced in 2005 that hasn't had a single screenshot or preview in the last two years??

I dunno, it just seems like the obvious choice to me.

Although, my real money is still on a) Shane is full of crap.

A Marvel based MMORPG for the 360 was announced in July 2005.

However, the Marvel Comic and Cryptic relationship wasn't announced until Sept last year and Cryptic didn't sign on to the 360/Marvel MMO until june/july 2006.
 
An "insider" in MGS Europe apparently mentioned on a message board that the title is Too Human. This guy may be full of shit (as may Shane) but I hope it's not, since it's looking like a fantastic title. I need Diablo 3, and this may be the closest thing yet (after the disappointment of TQ, HG:L, Sacred, etc, etc).
 
Marvel MMO is being develop by Cryptic Studios who developed City of Heroes and City of Villians. Cryptic also just sold the intellectual rights of CH and CV to NCSoft just this month, so unless its working on a secret project noone knows about, then Marvel Universe is all its working on. With the success of City of Heroes and the backing of Marvel Comics its doubtful that this project is being cancelled at most maybe there will be a change of publishers.

Totally agree with you. The notion that after the blockbuster success of City of Heroes, Microsoft would back down from a Marvel IP game is almost absurd. This is one of the smartest deals Microsoft has made.
 
An "insider" in MGS Europe apparently mentioned on a message board that the title is Too Human. This guy may be full of shit (as may Shane) but I hope it's not, since it's looking like a fantastic title. I need Diablo 3, and this may be the closest thing yet (after the disappointment of TQ, HG:L, Sacred, etc, etc).

It fits my earlier conjecture too. I also didn't get the best of vibes from the title on the 1up show after the one that had a big Too Human section in it.
 
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