Rumble Roses developer on PS3 & X360

[dskneo]

fellows, meet the other "face" of our dear onetimeposter
http://forum.teamxbox.com/member.php?u=89553

you my pseudo-friend, are very very very biased.... and not a reasonble one either.

Onetimeposter.. please tell me, how can the Unified shadders be splitted in their operation? its like 80% for pixel and 20% for shadders at the same time?

or care to explain, what is the downside of the UMA architecture? and the advantages of NUMA architecture?

i know the answers... just want to see them by your own words, in 1 minute time!
and.....go! its your reputation as a MAN in stake man!

 

[scooby_dooby]

so instead of debating teh topic you attack the poster?

isn't that the sign of a weak argument?

 

[overclocked]

Sonic or some other mod, pleeease close this thread and eventualy ban
"someone". This is PURE nonsense and really discredit many of the B3D members that been here for YEARS, my god Chap was like a kitten compared to some of the new here.

 

[onetimeposter]

Could you give an in depth post on how the Xenos will be both Technically and theoritically faster than the RSX? In your own words?

if you want to know technicalities, read the b3d post. i used that, and the RSX specs given at E3, and the fact that Nvidia has stated that G70 and RSX will use the same technologies and same architecture, only the numbers like vertices /sec and clockspeed will be more than g70, its like the difference between the medium g70 and 7800 GTX, you have to take into consideration that ATI has put special emphasis on the unified architure and the eDram which will boost the performance of the GPU much further than even its younger cousin in the form of R520 even if both are different architectures. ATI has emphasised that the Efficiency that can be achieved with the hardware is around about 90% compared to all the PC Architecture GPUs which is around 50-60%. the G70 and RSX are technologically the same architecture, meaning just like when Nvidia had their graphics card in the Xbox, they had essentially the PC hardware but custom designed to fit specifically for bandwidth and console purposes to work as a console component. The Same is happening with the RSX where the RSX is a g70 varient and its being custom designed in terms of connectively with the Cell, higher clockspeeds specifically and slightly higher integer numbers compared to the 7800 GTX. The difference as i said before will be around between the difference in 7800 Medium and 7800 GTX. But when we take into consideration ATI. they have specifically said the technology and performance you will see in the Xenos will not be seen until we have similiar PC architecure with similiar yeilds and similiar efficiency. Ofcourse the efficiency will never be as high as the Xenos perhaps because the Xenos was designed for 2-3 years in collaboration with Microsoft and ATI just like the Cell was designed for around 4 years by IBM Toshiba and Sony. If you take into account ATI's statement of the futuristic design of the GPU, the Efficiency and thier confidence that the graphics achievable and performance achievable will not be around until R580(unlikely) but more likely R600 which is 2 generations ahead (a directx10 card), and when we see Nvidias statements about the RSX as being a faster varient of G70 + the fact that the Xenos has special features like memexport and unified shaders which will not be readily available in PC games until direct x 10 hits and the fact that directx 10 proposed features (albiet a few of them) are in the Xenos. I think you wont disagree with me that Xenos is technically better than the G70 in terms of knowledge of what it CAN do and hopefullly will do for Xbox 360 gamers

 

[dskneo]

lol, so any single-core coupled to multiple cores is now IYO considered "old" technology? That criteria is ridiculously broad.

Give me a break man.

AMD and Intel's timelines don't launch these types of CPU's till when? 2009-2010? And somehow you can twist this with bizarre logic to be old technology?



Done arguing with you, you can't even admit the simple fact that the CELL processor is much more advanced thinking design than the VERY conventional XeCPU, i believe "known iside and out" was the exact phrase you used. If you can't even admit that simple reality how could I possibly expect you to look logically at other more subjective details.

buddy, its not OLD technology, dont even try to make me stupid..... its a technology whose principle is being used in 6 YEARS at least in Ps2.

its not old, its used..... and does it work well? watch ps2 games. thats where my faith comes from.

but do i have anything about USA already tested in the last years? NO!!!!
Thats why until i see the USA tested and aprooved, i will keep my faith in the "older and aprooved" tech.

does this answer your question? i know better, you know better... you can only miss my point if you are being dumb on purpose.

did i ever been disrespectfull to you or your ideas? NO... so please make an effort to understand mine, because im no hypocrite.

 

[onetimeposter]

And how does it compare with RSX? Please enlighten me.

G70 specifications does have limitations compared to Xenos.

 

[BlueTsunami]

if you want to know technicalities, read the b3d post. i used that, and the RSX specs given at E3, and the fact that Nvidia has stated that G70 and RSX will use the same technologies and same architecture, only the numbers like vertices /sec and clockspeed will be more than g70, its like the difference between the medium g70 and 7800 GTX, you have to take into consideration that ATI has put special emphasis on the unified architure and the eDram which will boost the performance of the GPU much further than even its younger cousin in the form of R520 even if both are different architectures. ATI has emphasised that the Efficiency that can be achieved with the hardware is around about 90% compared to all the PC Architecture GPUs which is around 50-60%. the G70 and RSX are technologically the same architecture, meaning just like when Nvidia had their graphics card in the Xbox, they had essentially the PC hardware but custom designed to fit specifically for bandwidth and console purposes to work as a console component. The Same is happening with the RSX where the RSX is a g70 varient and its being custom designed in terms of connectively with the Cell, higher clockspeeds specifically and slightly higher integer numbers compared to the 7800 GTX. The difference as i said before will be around between the difference in 7800 Medium and 7800 GTX. But when we take into consideration ATI. they have specifically said the technology and performance you will see in the Xenos will not be seen until we have similiar PC architecure with similiar yeilds and similiar efficiency. Ofcourse the efficiency will never be as high as the Xenos perhaps because the Xenos was designed for 2-3 years in collaboration with Microsoft and ATI just like the Cell was designed for around 4 years by IBM Toshiba and Sony. If you take into account ATI's statement of the futuristic design of the GPU, the Efficiency and thier confidence that the graphics achievable and performance achievable will not be around until R580(unlikely) but more likely R600 which is 2 generations ahead (a directx10 card), and when we see Nvidias statements about the RSX as being a faster varient of G70 + the fact that the Xenos has special features like memexport and unified shaders which will not be readily available in PC games until direct x 10 hits and the fact that directx 10 proposed features (albiet a few of them) are in the Xenos. I think you wont disagree with me that Xenos is technically better than the G70 in terms of knowledge of what it CAN do and hopefullly will do for Xbox 360 gamers

What I got from your ENTIRE post was ATI said this and NVIDIA said that...so if you take into equations this and that..you get this. Not technical on any level, also coming from a person that hounds people that use PR speak.

 

[onetimeposter]

What I got from your ENTIRE post was ATI said this and NVIDIA said that...so if you take into equations this and that..you get this. Not technical on any level, also coming from a person that hounds people that use PR speak.

so you are saying that you dont know while others who know the architecture like Jawed or Dave Baumann saying Xenos is technically better and faster in terms of game output, you dont believe them? im not a technical person but facts are given. im using the facts. do you have ANY sort of fact to say anything otherwise ?

 

[dskneo]

so instead of debating teh topic you attack the poster?

isn't that the sign of a weak argument?

was i talking to you?..... no. Did i ever question your ideias? i didn't even seen them.
but you read my posts in 2 seconds time, and you jump at me like im a fªnboy.

I am the one done talking to you. What i have against onetimeposter is none of your business. He comes from teamxbox with twisted ideias and ignores the ones who know better. By this time, there is already at least 10 to 15 guys from that forum that come here to speak BS.
They cant accept certain truths... is that what you want?
because i said nothing wrong what so ever

he's the one you should jump at...... not at me. unless your his pall....
cya

 

[onetimeposter]

was i talking to you?..... no. Did i ever question your ideias? i didn't even seen them.
but you read my posts in 2 seconds time, and you jump at me like im a fªnboy.

I am the one done talking to you. What i have against onetimeposter is none of your business. He comes from teamxbox with twisted ideias and ignores the ones who know better. By this time, there is already at least 10 to 15 guys from that forum that come here to speak BS.
They cant accept certain truths... is that what you want?
because i said nothing wrong what so ever

he's the one you should jump at...... not at me. unless your his pall....
cya

like you ignore Jawed and D Baumanns assessment?

 

[BlueTsunami]

so you are saying that you dont know while others who know the architecture like Jawed or Dave Baumann saying Xenos is technically better and faster in terms of game output, you dont believe them? im not a technical person but facts are given. im using the facts. do you have ANY sort of fact to say anything otherwise ?

Oh Dave and Jawed I believe most certainly but I think twice when I read your posts. Your also building your own assumptions off of what Jawed stated in his post in this thread. When I see a Jawed or Dave post I read attentivley but you've already shown what deck of cards you play with (I don't know what that means..but it sounds smart ).

Also doesn't change the fact that your post (that I commented about) was made up of assumptions.

 

[onetimeposter]

Oh Dave and Jawed I believe most certainly but I think twice when I read your posts. Your also building your own assumptions off of what Jawed stated in his post in this thread. When I see a Jawed or Dave post I read attentivley but you've already shown what deck of cards you play with (I don't know what that means..but it sounds smart ).

Also doesn't change the fact that your post (that I commented about) was made up of assumptions.

i started this fact before Jawed even posted if you look back in posts. i didnt reply to him and he didnt reply to him,. he posted on his own behalf. i just referred to him because technically he knows more than me, rather than someone who knows something about the g70 architecture which makes it better than the Xenos architecture, which isnt there yet is it.

You can also make assumptions that we dont know if Cell will be good for ingame performance rather than realtime or CG performance, we dont know that, but technically most people base it as a FACT that it will be better. if anyone can base it on those facts that Cell will be better ingame. then using Facts, i am telling you that Xenos is better. simple as that

 

[dskneo]

like you ignore Jawed and D Baumanns assessment?

what assessment? are you crazy? their assessment are useless when comparing XENON to RSX!
you know why? because we dont know RSX, and thats it. no more discussion!


this is madworld! you cant compare something and say its better when one of them its not even known, just because 2 dudes say Xenon is good!
yea its good, But good compared to WHAT?

we dont even know how that handles in real world! i hope it handles well (we need something good for the future), but i refuse to speak BS like you.

 

[onetimeposter]

what assessment? are you crazy? their assessment are useless when comparing XENON to RSX!
you know why? because we dont know RSX, and thats it. no more discussion!


this is madworld! you cant compare something and say its better when one of them its not even known, just because 2 dudes say Xenon is good!
yea its good, But good compared to WHAT?

we dont even know how that handles in real world! i hope it handles well (we need something good for the future), but i refuse to speak BS like you.

do you think that rsx and g70 have seperate technologies?

 

[onetimeposter]

ok im going to sleep. mods dont ban me!

 

[dskneo]

do you think that rsx and g70 have seperate technologies?

different implemention of the same technology.

and now you ask me, what technology means?....
..easy, its does not mean they SHARE THE SAME exact DESIGN and details, because even Geforce DDR shares the same technology as Geforce7800GTX but are worlds and years appart in every little design and detail.
But their technology is the same, Fixed pipelines with Fixes shadders. its the T&L! its the GPU as we know it.

If RSX comes with fixed pipelines, i could easily say it shares the same technology as the Geforce DDR from 2000! because it does.
but what matters is how that technology is implemented and every single other detail altogether.

G70 is a matured design of the an old technology... RSX is a even more mature design so it can support those massive 35Gb/s.
Dog does not equal Dog.... there are thousands of variations.


bye, and get a grip.....

 

[onetimeposter]

different implemention of the same technology.

and now you ask me, what technology means?....
..easy, its does not mean they SHARE THE SAME exact DESIGN and details, because even Geforce DDR shares the same technology as Geforce7800GTX but are worlds and years appart in every little design and detail.
But their technology is the same, Fixed pipelines with Fixes shadders. its the T&L! its the GPU as we know it.

If RSX comes with fixed pipelines, i could easily say it shares the same technology as the Geforce DDR from 2000! because it does.
but what matters is how that technology is implemented and every single other detail altogether.

G70 is a matured design of the an old technology... RSX is a even more mature design so it can support those massive 35Gb/s.
Dog does not equal Dog.... there are thousands of variations.


bye, and get a grip.....

with d3d compression, Xenos can double the bandwidth from 20 gb.

good night.

 

[dskneo]

with d3d compression, Xenos can double the bandwidth from 20 gb.

good night.

jesus crist!!! and now you'r talking about BAndwidth!!!!!!!!!! just because i mentioned those 35gb!





ahhhhhahah.... lol seriously, i really laughed now. crist, you are sick dude

 

[blakjedi]

what assessment? are you crazy? their assessment are useless when comparing XENON to RSX!
you know why? because we dont know RSX, and thats it. no more discussion!


this is madworld! you cant compare something and say its better when one of them its not even known, just because 2 dudes say Xenon is good!
yea its good, But good compared to WHAT?

we dont even know how that handles in real world! i hope it handles well (we need something good for the future), but i refuse to speak BS like you.

What is really crazy about these constant bickerings and back and forths is that nearly all comparison arguments on these boards lately have false premises.

Sony fans with no idea what the RSX is loock at cutscene video and say "see that clearly proves PS3 will be better, and its running on a single 7800GTX which is weaker than the RSX." Those same people will then turn around and say "we have no idea what is in RSX but it will be better than Xenos."

MS people with a very laymens understanding of the innovation and potential of the Xenos (this laymens understanding includes myself) will trade barbs and say "See our tech is years better than RSX because nvidia said RSX is 7800GTX+ which is this genration hw."

The problem is that you cant argue both ways. You cant argue that your tech is better cause its based on known tech then argue that the unknown tech will clearly be more powerful.

You cant use a movie which has a different budget and constraints technically to compare to gameplay.

You cant compare across genres because the requirements are different. Depending on the dev house 3d fighters should almost always have higher complexity characters than any other kind of game.

Why is this so hard for people to grasp then just as improtantly let alone?

 

[dskneo]

your right, i cant and i didn't.....

i was arguing that HE cant say the things he "does" based on the fact that one of the subjects are unknown at this point.

i did say i prefered a tested technology at this point, and that envolves Non-USA (At which point Scooby thought i was being hypocrite because he thinks Cell pinciple is super new, which is not).

i realize now that i did talk to much..... because after i said randomly the number 35Gb/s when that was not even the point of the discussion, Onetimeposter skiped the entire post (that he asked for) just to reply this:

with d3d compression, Xenos can double the bandwidth from 20 gb.

i'm scared that, if i speak the word "penis", i trully think that he will reply just to say that his is bigger than mine.

thats how he is... Teamxbox school.
sorry for the trouble..... i'm outta here.