well if you don't increase any other settings, it is not that hard to reach 4k.
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imo, for the time being as long as we agree not to use Ultra/Extreme as our benchmark settings, I think 4K is achievable. I think over time you're going to see creative use of the hardware in which you'll begin to see the settings scale upwards; if they can't get native, they may be able to get there over time. 4Pro price/performance will certainly impress over time.
Yeah that's why I was specific to say cutting edge games
Remasters of PS3 games even with lots of visual improvements should quite reasonably be expected to run at 4K native.The overall interpretation I get from a number of accounts is that it is possible to tell in a side-by-side comparison, although this is muddling various impressions.
The Tomb Raider implementation was described as being softer, although overall still better than 1080p.
The high-res mode for the Mass Effect was considered higher-quality, with the admission that its visual design made it harder to see if there were artifacts.
(caveat: Various artifacts the authors were assuming to come from checkerboard rendering or reprojection in general were considered difficult to see at a distance.)
The choice to go with checkerboard isn't without certain trade-offs, per the Rainbow Six description of it. There are certain choices taken to minimize the obviousness of the reprojected pixels. I can see tracking the primitive ID can help better estimations for what to re-project, although I'm not sure it would change something like the decision to restrict how rapidly various effects could alternate between light and dark in order to avoid a more visually obvious sign of reprojection.
If I can ask the question from another angle, why is checkerboard used for the majority of PS4P games while it was previously a very rare occurrence? So far almost any PS4P games that didn't reach 4K native are using Sony's checkerboard implementation. Very rarely used on PC and current consoles, and obviously it's not really expected to be used on scorpio.
Was the central problem the artifacts or the performance cost?
Was the central problem the artifacts or the performance cost?
Can GPUs create a triangle ID buffer and what sort of cost is that?
One of the problems is we're using a catch-all term that is more specific than needs be, and we thus overlook other non-checkboard reconstruction techniques that devs can be using.
We really should change to using 'reconstruction' and only mention checkboard or other methods by name when expressly talking about those methods.
Not necessarily as transparently as the parallel write path for the PS4 Pro's buffer, but some form of tracking a primitive or triangle ID is part of the process for the following: http://www.confettispecialfx.com/gdce-2016-the-filtered-and-culled-visibility-buffer-2/ .
Even without a dedicated path, the magnitude of some of those wins may bear out even on architectures without Sony's hardware tweak.
Artifacting when there is a significant disparity between the current and previous frame(s) from the same primitive is not without precedent. A game can opt to limit how quickly such strobing happens, or it can show up as some kind of banding or interlacing--like it did for Killzone SF. I'm presuming that the DF authors were keeping an eye out for issues like that with the particle effects in the PS4 Pro games.
Does anyone know if the 4K method being developed by Insomniac (which I understand builds on work from epic) for Spiderman is using the ID buffer?
Until we observe an SSD in a PS4 Pro compared to PS4 we won't know the real world impact...but I'm guessing it will have some impact on loading times.
But on a purely technical point...pretty sure SATA 2 interface limits any relatively new SSD by about half compared to SATA 3 interface.
Xbox One external drive is using USB 3 interface which 5Gb/s compared to SATA 2 interface which is 3Gb/s.
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Yeah, even entry-level SSDs can reach upwards of 400MB/s. I just put an entry-level Plextor MLC 128GB SSD in a friend's system that only had SATA2 ports and it was definitely capped at SATA2 speeds.
I'm sure it will make a considerable difference in load times.
I'm sure it will make a considerable difference in load times.
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Embargo lifts on November 7th 8AM ET: https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/793213194269495300
Looking forward to the DF coverage most of all, not getting one day 1 unless Bloodborne patch
Looking forward to the DF coverage most of all, not getting one day 1 unless Bloodborne patch
Are you sure you can resist the exquisite HDR and high res patch for UC4 and finally be able to play it and see it in what the creators have intended it toEmbargo lifts on November 7th 8AM ET: https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/793213194269495300
Looking forward to the DF coverage most of all, not getting one day 1 unless Bloodborne patch
?To be honest, I have my finger ready on the Cancel Pre-order button until the final day. Right now I still see very little reason to actually go ahead. Especially after reading that FFXV will not actually support the Pro at least initially. That was a huge reason for me to get the bloody thing.
Are you sure you can resist the exquisite HDR and high res patch for UC4 and finally be able to play it and see it in what the creators have intended it to
I've played through UC4 maybe 3-4 times already and got the plat so i'm not really looking forward playing the game again. Will probably have a Pro by the time the SP dlc comes out which is what i'm looking forward to. I'd buy a Pro just to play the best version of Gravity Rush 2 but that got delayed so i don't really have a reason to own one so it's better to wait and see if there are any problems to sort out in the first batch
I also haven't played Bloodborne in a loooong time so if there's a patch close to the release of the Pro i'm game.
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If money is tight and you can't risk not getting what you want, I'd cancel. It's been a recent mantra of mine. It's harder if there are pre-order sales (aka, Amazon Prime E3 games pre-order discounts) but if you hold out, you can save yourself some money. Maybe even enough for black friday if you can wait that long.
Money isn't tight, I just think that between PSVR and the Pro, I'm spending a liiiiiiiittle too much on gaming, which I wouldn't mind really if it actually made a lot of sense. But as it stands, without a 4K TV, it still doesn't make a huge amount of sense. We'll see, I have 9 days to be convinced.
If you have a PS4 already and don't have a 4k (and thus not HDR either) TV then sounds like waiting would make sense. At least until there's a bunch of enhanced titles?
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