Fu3lFr3nzy
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Wow, # 2 and 5 spots 
good for sony
good for sony 
PS3 sales
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JacksBleedingEyes
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Fuel to the fire from GAF, PS3's "slow" sales hit mainstream news
What I don't understand is why there is so much negativity towards Sony this time. There is a problem here as I'm sure it wasn't the last two times around. There is a lot of sony hate in the air, it's like people really want to see them fail this time.
quest55720
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Since they update hourly I would say having units in stock would have a major effect on those numbers. I am sure when the Wii get back in stock it will be the top seller.
quest55720
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The brought it on themselves they over promised under delivered and over priced. If sony would of went with a regular DVD drive at 299/399 price point and not shown that kill zone GCI and claim it is real time most of this would not be happening. The average person and the media fully expected the PS3 to completely destroy the 360 in graphics after E3 2005. The media bought it hook line and sinker when they found out they were duped by sony the backlash started. Sony just got to cocky for its own good. The best thing for the industry will be for sony to be knocked off as the dominate player. That way you won't see the stupid mistakes that were made by a arrogant company again with the PS4. If sony would of been the under dog this time around or more hungry things would of been much different.
Quest... 'dominant,' not 'dominate.' Is this word destined to become the next chronically mispelled word of the Internet? When I read 'looser' it makes me go crazy.
Anyway, ABC News was definitely not buying any hype at E3, because they probably don't have an appreciable coverage of it... and certainly not Killzone. ABC News is reporting this because smaller sites are reporting this. Hasn't everyone figured out how the 'big boys' of Internet news do their thing yet? They don't do their own research, they just surf around the niche sites (read: engadget) and pick up on smaller stories that would make good bigger stories.
Saying that PS3's being returned by scalpers and consoles found on the shelves of stores is 'Game Over' for Sony is beyond absurd.
Anyway, ABC News was definitely not buying any hype at E3, because they probably don't have an appreciable coverage of it... and certainly not Killzone. ABC News is reporting this because smaller sites are reporting this. Hasn't everyone figured out how the 'big boys' of Internet news do their thing yet? They don't do their own research, they just surf around the niche sites (read: engadget) and pick up on smaller stories that would make good bigger stories.
Saying that PS3's being returned by scalpers and consoles found on the shelves of stores is 'Game Over' for Sony is beyond absurd.
inefficient
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The whole "Sony got too cocky and deserve to be taken down a peg" argument is a bit childish. It's something a 13 year old would conclude using his own mentality as a reference point to translate a corporation's actions.
And the bitterness about the 05' Killzone footage... Just let it go already. Very few mainstream people probably even saw it. And even if they did, they probably never heard it was not realtime. It's not relevant.
And the bitterness about the 05' Killzone footage... Just let it go already. Very few mainstream people probably even saw it. And even if they did, they probably never heard it was not realtime. It's not relevant.
while I agree in principle with you (it's childish as you have described it) but actually reading into what is happening and how the media is reacting (to a large degree) is not about "taking Sony down a peg" as just making them "SHOW the goods" before giving them praise.
when there are as many missteps as sony has made this past year from the industry leader, they are eventually going to get called to the carpet for it, not given a pass. I think that is all we're seeing right now and some people may vote with their wallets until some things change.
More and more desirable software releases, lower prices, feature/service bugs/shortcomings worked out. After that;s fixed (as I'm confident it will be eventually) I'm sure it will be business as usual for Sony, until then... they are just taking their lumps for their shortcomings. no shame in that. Sony needs to just take it like a man (as they are) and fix it.
Price seems to be the biggest obstacle for the coming year IMO.
inefficient
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Sorry, I was not refering to the main article. I was actually just ranting about post #506
ok, sorry
I don't like Sony's strategy with the PS3 because if it succeeds and they still win, it'll set a precedent for disgustingly expensive uber-machines that sacrifice all creativity in favour of raw power.
I don't want to spend $600 *minimum* next gen because companies think they can get away with it.
If Sony succeeds with their overextension strategy this gen like they hope to, we'll see absurd overextension next gen, the likes of which will probably be mind-boggling.
I don't want to spend $600 *minimum* next gen because companies think they can get away with it.
If Sony succeeds with their overextension strategy this gen like they hope to, we'll see absurd overextension next gen, the likes of which will probably be mind-boggling.
quest55720 said:
Sure at that price and buzz, Wii's run-rate probably owns both Xbox 360 and PS3. But Nintendo's success may actually complement the other consoles. Meanwhile if Sony also does well, this means that the industry is large enough, may be even growing.
This is one point of view. You know, some people believe Wii is overcharged too.
You may need to give Sony more time to fulfill its promises. Rome is not built in a day. I actually like Blu-ray (or HD DVD) rather than DVD, but that's just me. Even for Xbox 360, MS under-delivered by my hardware standard because many launch boxes were proned to failures and there were quite a few reports on scratched discs. The refurbished boxes also caused much trouble. Fortunately MS took about a year to admit and work out these issues.
Running a business is hard, the companies will have to juggle their resources and make things happen on time. What you mentioned in your posts cut both ways. Say if Playstation is the minor platform, how long do you think MS will take to fix these issues (while balancing its expense) ? Without the Cell promise, how far do you think MS will push 360 GPU ?
IMHO, the best thing for the industry is for the gaming media to grow up, and let the vendors compete. While these outcries can be orchestrated easily by anyone (e.g., Build a sensational story regarding the fall of a giant, and forward it to the mainstream media). For the most part, they add very little value to the consumers (They are just marketing fluff). Essentially, companies can increase their footprint by *talking*. There is no real value and you're making it worse.
All you need to do is to buy a Xbox 360 or Wii (since you seem to hate Sony). For me, I bought a PS3 and have just signed off from 10 straight hours of team (and free !) Resistance game. Yap ! skipped work and dinner today
. I am happy with my purchase... now the question is how many of me exist in this world.
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crystalcube
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I thought hardware is just a tool and creativity still lies with developer and artists. Creativity comes in many forms , to you maybe it means an unconventional controller. But why just blame Sony ? Hasn't Microsoft followed same route too ? I just fail to see how creativity is sacrificed by either PS3 or Xbox360 ? Some may even argue that raw power of these machine may allow them better creative expression.
inefficient
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If $500-$600 is "disgustingly" expensive, you probably have bigger problems on your hands to worry about (or should be worried about) than who is going to "win" the console wars.
And they don't need to immediately outsell the competition to succeed. Winning is a long term game its not decided at launch.
It's like being mad at ATI or nvidia for focusing so strongly on raw power and causing their high end cards to be $600. They always start out expensive but as time goes by that level of performance becomes accecible to comsumers on a tighter budget.
Raw power helps facilitate creativity. You make it sound like it's inversely proportional to it or something.
Actually that is one of my fears as well. Screw the "I hate Sony, Sony deserves to fail and die" kind of arguments if they can now be called that. There are actuall practical reasons to not like the pricing model that Sony has gone for.
If they see that it works to launch a console in this price range who is to say that next gen we will not see even higher prices. I thought that MS streched it by going to 400$/€, and they still seemed to have learned a bit from the xbox1 launch fiasko, if Sony sets a new bar who knows what we are in for in the future.
All these "reports" right now seem mostly anecdotal and highly circumstantial, but I for sure though that Sony would sell between 6 to 10 million of PS3 at this price without any problems, although they have not launced in Europe yet, and I am sure they will be doing great overe here.
The xbox360 still is not in all that great of a position here and all the negative reporting and so on, on PS3 doesn't really seem to have come here yet, not to mention the extremely strong fanbase and brand name of Playstation. I am a bit split in the way I hope things go, on the one hand I wouldn't like Sony do too well in these prices, just so that it is clear that it is way to high price for a console and no one tries it in the future launces on the other hand I don't think anyone wants to see them fail either as competition is what makes these companies try to do their best
...Did IQ just drop while i was gone? - Ripley
First of all, the PS3 is a 499$ machine not 599$ unless you want "extras".
2nd, any hardware manufacture will price his product at the highest possible price where the product still sells. Someone tell me WHY Sony should take a bigger loss when they can´t even meet demand (please don´t gimme the PS3 doesn´t sell crap, unless they stay on the shelves it´s selling).
AAA software titles, and Blu-Ray winning the format war and Sony still won´t be able to meet demand.
Btw, in Denmark this machine will be closer to 900$ and i still consider it a steal at that price.
First of all, the PS3 is a 499$ machine not 599$ unless you want "extras".
2nd, any hardware manufacture will price his product at the highest possible price where the product still sells. Someone tell me WHY Sony should take a bigger loss when they can´t even meet demand (please don´t gimme the PS3 doesn´t sell crap, unless they stay on the shelves it´s selling).
AAA software titles, and Blu-Ray winning the format war and Sony still won´t be able to meet demand.
Btw, in Denmark this machine will be closer to 900$ and i still consider it a steal at that price.
tongue_of_colicab
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Correction: The ps3 is a 599euro machine because sony will rip off europeans even more by not offering the 20gb ''retard pack''.
600k for a Enzo is great value for money too but I still wont buy it. You might consider 900dollar a steal but most people dont even spend that money on a new pc, I highly doubt they are willing to spend that on a console.
I want a Blu-Ray player and a PS3, way more value for money than an Enzo (unless it has Blu-Ray?). With the current games and the current price i don´t see anyone but hardcore gamers buying it for games. The first PS2 i was offered was a 900$ .JP import btw, i passed but other didn´t
I don't think you need to have problems just because you think that 600$ is quite a bit of cash. I would go as far to say that for the absolute most people that kind of money is concidered much, especially for a "toy". I do have the money and I am sure many more do, but there are priorities one has to concider and gamming is afterall just a hobby, and even last gen it was an expensive hobby and now with the console prices rising and even more important the game prices rising I can see this going from a mass market hobby to some elitist hobby.
Lets take a step back and see what consumers Sony is targeting and for the sake of argument to make it a bit easier i will be talking about the US market as you wont have to take into concideration different currencies and what not.
No Playstation owner had to pay more than 300$ previously to get a PS2 (excluding insane ebay prices during launch) and the absolute majority of todays PS2 owners didn't give more than 200$ and many of those even quite a bit less. So going from a sub 200$ price point that most of your current userbase has paid, to a price point that is 2.5x - 3x as high might be concidered a bit strange by many and wonder what is going on.
Indeed true, although the first 1-2 years are important as that will show what trend there seems to be and developers might change their opinion as to what console they should have a primary target and so on, but yes, way to early to say anything at this point.
Yes, but this goes back to my previous point of knowing your target consumers. Ati and Nvidia have done this before, they know that there are those out there that will pay those amounts to get the latest card and that there are enough of them to make things go around. Another thing is that they both earn money on them and not only that, but also those that use their chips to make the cards are making money as well on them, so that price contains a lot of profit margins. The same can not be said for Sony. They are loosing, and most propably quite a bit, of money on the PS3 and it is priced at that point out of necessity and it is questionable if they will be able to lower prices if they see the demand is faltering.
Agreed...
In the US, maybe. Anywhere else, especially Europe, we were paying a little bit less than the same amount we will be paying for a launch PS3.
That's irrelevant. If we're talking launch prices, let's compare launch prices. Comparing the price of PS2 after price cuts to the PS3 launch price is useless. Of course PS2 is much cheaper than PS3.
