thatdude90210
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PS3 sales
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If Sony does fail with the PS3, blame it on Kuturagi and his Blu-Ray. If the PS3 didn't have the Blu-Ray it could very well been sold at 399. Instant winner IMO.
What Sony needs to do is concentrate right now in bringing in the softwares. Right now nothing seem remotely interested except for Resistance. They need MotorStorm, Lair, Heavenly Sword, VF5, Tekken 6, MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII, etc, out soon. 2007 could be a make for break year for Sony if any of these games don't make it out on time.
The good thing however is that they have sold 1.3 million so far according to vgcharts. That's faster then the 360 from 2005.
What Sony needs to do is concentrate right now in bringing in the softwares. Right now nothing seem remotely interested except for Resistance. They need MotorStorm, Lair, Heavenly Sword, VF5, Tekken 6, MGS4, DMC4, FFXIII, etc, out soon. 2007 could be a make for break year for Sony if any of these games don't make it out on time.
The good thing however is that they have sold 1.3 million so far according to vgcharts. That's faster then the 360 from 2005.
Yeah but many of those sales are from HT enthusiasts wanting the Blu-Ray capability.
And even gamers may have bought now because of Blu-Ray instead of waiting for those titles.
Anyways, they're selling them at a good clip, even at $600 and even with the shortages caused by Blu-Ray components.
And even gamers may have bought now because of Blu-Ray instead of waiting for those titles.
Anyways, they're selling them at a good clip, even at $600 and even with the shortages caused by Blu-Ray components.
All this talk about failure, console is 2 months old.
There is a storm brewing for 2007 when the software line-up is onleashed for the PS3. Right now the console is doing fine, finding PS3s on store shelves is a good thing.
Don't forget, people just spent a LOT of money over the holidays, and even if they want a PS3 they may want to pay off a few bills before grabbing one. I can see how people want it, put it back down saying, "I hope it's still here in a month, when I pay off some of the credit card bills."
Blu-Ray was a very good choice for a console you expect to be around for 5 years, not going with a next gen disc system and the best for a 5yr console would have been a mistake.
I will wait at least 18 months before I declare anyone the winner or failures. All 3 consoles are doing very well right now, especially the Xbox 360 some of the game line-up makes me want to get one, but I'm still holding off for them coming on PS3.
Speng.
Mintmaster
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That's a big "if", but in the unlikely even that Sony fails, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.
If the PS3 cost the same as XB360 and launched within 6 months of it, I can't image that MS would even have a chance.
Well, I think PS3 would definitely have succeeded if that scenario happened, but then Blu-Ray may have failed. Sony is doing trade-off here...If blu-ray emerges as next standard format, then lost marketshare would not be a such a big deal.
Well guess what.. i´m importing a PS3 from the US just for BLURAY
. And unless something drastic happens Blu-Ray is winning the format war. It had a shitty start but thanks to the PS3 and more quality titles out it has gained momentum that it wont loose again, HD-DVD has no more cards left.The results will be in after XMAS 2007, if Sony has solved their production issues they can sell everything they can produce (most likely at a reduced price). And they will have a machine that can play the next gen format plus a stack of AAA game titles. The competition will have something that is cheaper.
Agreed. But I think Sony have a lot of work to do over here (Europe). They have been losing a lot of ground.
It's a really strong brand, but I wouldn't be surprised to see price drops all over the place within a few months (maybe even before the PS3 launch).
Nintendo can follow a short term price drop by dropping the Sports pack.
tongue_of_colicab
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Thanks to ps3? I dont think ps3 will have such a big impact on BR sales. DVD started selling good when we got cheap players. People aint going to spend 500 or 600 on a BR player. People are going to get interrested when players will become something like 300 euro and the major mass interrest will come when players are somewhere between 100 and 200 euro. And since I dont expect ps3 to get a such a price point within 2 years I think the ps3 will have a small impact on BR.
DuckThor Evil
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Well guess what.. i´m importing a PS3 from the US just for BLURAY
Could you provide some information to back that up? I'm curious on the matter.
Try 400 euros for the PS2. That was one of the cheapest stand alone DVD players at the time and many people, especially in the UK, bought it for that feature. A lot of people still use the PS2 primarily for playing DVDs (and there is the new snake-oil from audiophiles about PS1 CD playback)...
For a long time BluRays most evident advantage have been exclusives from Fox,Disney and of course Sony/MGM, they are finally starting to show up. And from having more titles available HD-DVD is now behind Blu-Ray, and they will stay there for the above reasons. Price was another HD-DVD advantage, but the consumer isn´t really seeing that in disc prices or players, Toshiba subsidized their player to keep it at 500$ but with the PS3 at the same price point that advantage is gone as well. And finally the quality of the Blu-Ray encodes are where they should have been from the start
I know this isn´t really proof of anything: http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ but at least it gives a hint where things are heading..
I´m a bit surprised by momentum BluRay have gotten this last few months, my october HD-DVD purchase fell through and now i´m not so sure i will get one soon since there are enough BluRay titles that needs my money.
So all those people who spent $thousand+ on an HDTV don't want to watch HD movies enough to buy a $500 player?
I think it's quite the opposite. Anyone with an HDTV wants HD content. They want HD TV programmes (and pay extra for them), HD games (and buy rather costly new consoles for this) and HD movies in particular, seeing the whole name for this market segment is 'Home Cinema'.
Anyonw who buys an HDTV at their current prices to watch HD movies, and yet won't buy an HD player until their $200, is quite frankly an imbecile! If they don't want to buy an HD player now, why didn't they wait to get an HDTV until the players are $200 and the TVs are much cheaper also? And what proportion of current HDTV buyers don't care for movies?
Why? If they have the money, then the fact that they want a brand new shiny flatscreen HDTV doesn't make them imbeciles. Besides, at the price points of today, they're hardly something impossibly expensive.. Heck there are some very cheap HDTV sets out these days.
A lot of people, especially in the UK, but LCD TVs simply because they look good, they're flat, and they're the new "cool" thing to own. The fact that they're HD, but are not used to show HD material, is something that will probably be addressed at a later date.
Someone who doesn't have the money to buy them, but still does (on credit!), even though they are not used "properly", i would consider that person an imbecile.
Yeah, I mean they don't use the term HD Ready here for nothing. It implies it is ready for HD when you get it. Anyway, I'm figuring that right now a majority of people buy HD TVs basically because 1) they want a flat panel tv, and 2) most current TVs are HD Ready, whether you like it or not.
tongue_of_colicab
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I indeed think the majority of buyers doesnt care much about HD but just wants a flat tv because that looks alot better than a big crt tv. I always get the feeling that alot of people on tech forums cant releate to what the average, tech noob, consumers care about.
Everybody wants everything if you ask them. Do people want nice houses? nice cars? fast computers? big lcd tv's? yes ofcourse they do want them if you ask them but it a other question if they really care about them. And as far as HD content goes I think alot of people dont care much about it. 99,9% of all tv program's in europa is in PAL, still people buy HDtv's on wich PAL looks like total crap (no HDdvd or BR here yet so they also dont buy them for the movies) and they dont complain about it at all because they dont care. I often think they dont even notice that it looks crappy.
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If you want HD movies and buy and HDTV, but don't want to buy an HD player, you're an imbecile!
Now sure, you get people buying HDTVs because they want a new TV who may not care to buy BRDs (or other HD movies). But I'd be surprised if a lot of the existing HDTV installed base isn't keen to get it's mitts on HD movies. HDTVs have been expensive, which means they're going to AV enthusiasts and techno-geeks, who tend to spend more readily and will be more inclined to splash out on an HD player.
This is very different to the PS2 DVD comparison of Mr. Tongue's. Back then the enthusiasts were buying $1000 DVD players before the mainstream bought up the technology at the $200-300 price point. With HD movies, PS3 is one of the best solutions for price and performance. So yes, I'd say there is a good chance of people buying a $500-600 BRD player. There have been player reviews in AV mags recommending as much.
Well you may be right. How much of HDTV installed base is 'I'll get an HDTV because it's flat but I don't know what HDTV is and won't spend more than $200 on a glorified DVD player' and how much is 'I'm buying an HDTV because I want HD content and will be subscribing/buying HD material' I guess no-one knows. But my point still stands, that those casual HDTV adopters are still imbeciles, spending big money on flat TVs without any knowhow of what it's really about and won't care to benefit from HDTV for years.
You calling me an imbecile? You do know how i punish rude naughty boys, don't you?
Well you may be right. How much of HDTV installed base is 'I'll get an HDTV because it's flat but I don't know what HDTV is and won't spend more than $200 on a glorified DVD player' and how much is 'I'm buying an HDTV because I want HD content and will be subscribing/buying HD material' I guess no-one knows. But my point still stands, that those casual HDTV adopters are still imbeciles, spending big money on flat TVs without any knowhow of what it's really about and won't care to benefit from HDTV for years.
You would be VERY surprised. I think the vast majority of people who bought LCD TVs (which just happened to be HD) in the last year or so in the UK, did so without knowing that to actually get HD out of it, they would need HD material. At the moment lots still think that DVD is HD, and that they get HD because their TV is HD. Also, the whole "upscaling DVD" craze did nothing to avoid consumer confusion, in fact it made them even more confused, as they now think that their player is a HDDVD player simply because it has "HD" on it - because it upscales DVDs.
Seriously, i even had yet another one of those discussions today with a colleague.
