PS3, Holiday 2006

When ever it does happen, hopefully most of the 360's out there will be the hdd-equipped model...which I expect to sorta be the case anyway. When MS introduces a bigger harddrive, I imagine the original hdd will be available for a reduced price and/or used, which should push most of the final holdouts into joining the rest of us.

 

And again....its not that the final X game will come out well. Its sypmtomatic of a larger issue. How presentation and marketing goes a long way towards what games people buy, or a general impression of said system, building momentum or hype, etc.... Case in point (PDZ) had the game been presented better then all the bad press and MS hideing it away would be less of a problem (possibly a delay in release)!

 

And again, all of that is irrelevent.

3 months after the Xbox launch no one will remember or care what PDZ looked like at E3 or what filtering CoD was using at the kiosk in Walmart. It simply won't matter.

I guarantee you word of mouth from a friend sells better than any demo, screenshot, commercial, first impression article, preview or review, ever will. Halo basically carried the Xbox for it's first 2 years, and it wasn't because of commercials, screenshots, E3 or how well the Walmart kiosks worked. It was because people found Halo to be a damned fun game and told their friends.

 

eh... lots of the "evidence" for superiority is mumbo jumbo fan speak theory bullshit...

A developer looking at PS3 and X360 launching the same time is not just saying "oh PS3 will have better market share" for sure... or else no one would be making x360 games at all or for any other system other than PS3 for that matter.

They are looking at:

1 - ease/cost of development!
2 - can the power of the system showcase their developmental vision?
3 - what kind of support does the manufacturer provide for the system once it gets to the marketplace?
4 - Are there any other incentives the system/manufacturer provide the developer that they wouldnt otherwise get on the other system? (Think Ninja Theory here)

Thus MS' increased support even in Japan this go round.

As far as cell helping RSX... xenon and xenos were literally made for each other... maybe moreso than cell RSX.... so xenon also "helps" with grpahics for whatever thats worth...

Some theories in this thread are ... priceless.

 

So Warner switched the side for Blu-ray to wait for Holiday 2006 when HD-DVD titles are supposed to have been released already?

 

I don't believe Warner ever said they would release titles exclusivily on blu-ray.

 

That my friend is not being in touch with the realities of the market....

It may be so that no one remebers or cares about PDZ. I'm sure MS will reminder you or others. Aside from that when people ask what games should I get for the X360 launch others come to mind before PDZ ever comes up. Guess which games are selling more?...that's right Kameo, COD2, and others. Why?...presentation marketing!

Most of your impressions or others are controlled (for the most part) by these companies. How else do you make your impressions...

Don't guarantee me anything..there's been plenty of good games gone under the radar!

 

Just for point of clarification, you should probably revise your numbers, only because I envision the 25GB disc as the primary BD-ROM. However, even with that there is still a significant space difference, just not as large as 7-1, at least initially. If we go by your "DVD-7" then we are left to conclude a 3.6x increase in capacity with regards to a 25GB BD-ROM. Personally, I do wish MSFT had chosen any higher capacity OD, changing discs is not something I truly want to do, but I also envision "HDD Required" games.

 

I predict a 4x dirve my-self, given the amount of time left until PS3 come's out and the liky price cut's of the drives by then i would more than liky expect sony to shove in a 4x drive.

 

Actually I think that point might more support xbox360 than it discredits it. As far as I know, most of the launch titles are really not using all the compresion techniques around which the xbox360 was built. It was a long long time ago that I think Allard said that they are aiming to make thing smaller and smaller with xbox360 refering to the data on the disc, and he was reacently making his comments about how some developers were "sloppy".

So I woudln't go by the notion that launch games hardly fit on one disc so how will games later on fit? Usually launch games are bad indicators of what a system can do when it comes to graphics and everything else. The other good having smaller file sizes is that it makes the loading times much shorter and streamming as well since it is faster to read a small compressed file on the disc and uncompress it real time on the fly rather than read the whole uncomressed file directly from the DVD.

As for games on multiple discs, if the game is a linear kind of adventure or something a disc switch during 30-40 hours of gameplay I don't think is a problem. As for free roaming games I see two solution, either the "hdd only" label on them or what I believe, that they will work on all the systems, but those that have the hdd will be able to install the game and have the oher dvd to play with, I mean there must some adavntage to have the hdd after all. Actually I would like to see all the games being ble to do instalation, talk about fast game loadings and stuff then...

 

IF Sony was making the big $$$ like MS was, they could sell a $700 system with all the max-out specs(2x CELL + 2x RSX IN SLI+ 1 Gig of XDR-RAM at 6.4 GHZ and a 4x Blu-ray) for only $399......

Seriously, 4x BR-ROM? Sony will def be losing ALOT of Money....2x is fine as it is.....

-Josh378

 

There are no blu-ray players on the market, how are they going to have "likely price cuts" before the PS3 hits?

 

Well that depends on if the can manufacture the amount that is recuired and the cost. If the cost between a 2x and 4x drive is minimal then maybe yes otherwise I find it more hard to believe, I really don't see Sony wanting to increase the cost of the PS3 furter which seems to be extremely expensive already...

 

The Blu-Ray drive speed is a mystery at this point. I see three options: 1.5x, 2x or 4x.

1.5x would be the lowest Sony could possibly go, being that Blu-Ray movies require 1.5x to play. 2x I see as the most likely option as it's probably the best balance between cost and performance, as I see 2x being sufficient for a games console. 4x is a possibility, since 2x (write) drives have been around for 18 months now (in labs of course), and read speeds are always well ahead of write speeds.

Interesting to see how it turns out?

 

Exactly. Can i be left out of this. I don't participate in these pathetic threads for a reason afterall (reason being i just tend to read these thread, laugh, and give bad rep when it's needed).
I haven't written off a bloody thing, in fact i can't wait to plug a X360 to my new SAmmy HDTV when i finally get it.

 

And you gave me bad reputation for this post:

Go to fucking hell. Did I say you wrote anything off? I stated "people that write off MS". If you didn't fall into that category why the fuck did you respond? You shouldn't have any authority around here giving people negative points over shit like that.

 

Yeah that's gonna help your case.

Well actually i wanted to give u bad rep for the one after that one, i just clicked on the wrong one.
You also have one after that one calling someone idiot.
So, i'm very sorry, i should have clicked on the right one. Still, doesn't change the fact that you need to chill out. You get bad rep anyway, whether it was for that post or whatever else. Your behaviour in these boards is appalling most of the time so don't cry when people give you bad rep.

 

Since the usa and europe models of ps3 coming end of 2006 /begin 2007, a 4x bleuray drive wouldnt be abnormal

 

Help my case? I'm a grown ass man. I can say whatever I want. It pisses me off because me and you have a history and that's the only reason you gave me negative feedback.

For those that would like to see for themselves: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=614830#post614830

For your information that post has been a couple days ago and yours was the first negative feedback I've recieved. I said you're either blind or an idiot, which other people agreed with. My point was fully backed up with the proof I provided. I speak my mind, some people don't like it, oh well. Still doesn't give you any kind of right to give me negative feedback over that, but whateva.

 

I doubt they would launch with a 2x driver and then upgrade t a 4x driver. I think thet would rather see to it that the system either goes down in cost as fast as possible and earn money rather than spending more money...