PS3 delayed in Europe until September 07? (CVG)

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Computer and Videogames are running a story which states that PS3 release may have been delayed until September 2007 in Europe.

High placed sources within the industry have already been tipping April as a more realistic launch window the for console. But a source has told CVG that a PS3 delay as far back as September 2007 is now far more likely, pointing the finger of delay at - yes you guessed it - "component shortages". And let's face it, you don't launch a console in summer.

When contacted this morning a Sony UK spokesperson told CVG that "We're 100 percent on track for a March release".

Personally, this wouldn't suprise me if we remember how things went with PSP. And it's maybe better for Sony to first secure America and Japan before dividing their supplies into even more pieces.
 
And it's maybe better for Sony to first secure America and Japan before dividing their supplies into even more pieces.
Problem with that is it gives MS in particular even more time to secure THEIR positions.

Roughly 1 3/4 year would have passed since 360 launch if sony waits that long. With that big a headstart and the extremely high price and I seriously doubt ps3 could catch up before MS launches a new generation console yet again.


Peace.
 
Problem with that is it gives MS in particular even more time to secure THEIR positions.

Roughly 1 3/4 year would have passed since 360 launch if sony waits that long. With that big a headstart and the extremely high price and I seriously doubt ps3 could catch up before MS launches a new generation console yet again.

Peace.
I remember reading that sony was studying the impact of another delay in europe.
We will see soon, if ms sells few units this chrismass in europe, expecting the ps3 in march is......
 
I guess it will depend a lot on how the 360 fairs in Europe, whether it will be a real launch or a near paper launch remains to be seen...
 
Sony can't launch that late. They are falling more and more behind. I think they'll make March.
Well .. they did the same with their european PSP launch. This rumour is coming from a freelancer. He said it's a proposal from two big publishers to delay the european launch in favor of the NA market to prevent PS3 losing momentum there.
 
Do you guys think Sony will have enough units in Spring 07 to handle 3 major markets? As of now they are struggling with 2. After some thought, maybe they will postpone the Euro launch a bit to concentrate more on NA and Japan markets.
 
Do you guys think Sony will have enough units in Spring 07 to handle 3 major markets? As of now they are struggling with 2. After some thought, maybe they will postpone the Euro launch a bit to concentrate more on NA and Japan markets.

I don't think sony will have enought units
They will have, if product ramp up early in 2006 to 1 million units/month, ~6 millions units out in june.
While MS sells most of it 360 in US, they can't give up so early in the biggest market (US).

What's sad for sony is that MS is more and more in a situation to deathbleed sony forcing them in price drop.

Sony is astoundly strong in Europe, but if they delay the launch price will turn to be a huge issue.
 
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Hmm? Sony will do everything possible for a march launch. There is nothing else to be said
 
I think the issue is that Sony must weigh the potential damage caused from an additional delay in Europe versus the potential damage of further constraining supply in the two market that are the most competitive. Sony faces strong competition from MS and Nintendo in NA (~12 million combined vs 1 million PS3, end of 2006) and Japan (Wii mostly).

What I find disturbing is the ongoing perception that launches need to occur close to the Christmas holidays. It seem to be a choice born out of habit then one born out of common and logical sense. Past launches have shown that end of the year holiday launches' supplies never meet demand. One would think a spring/summer launch would be an ideal launch period as initial demand would ensure sales even during the typical slow sales months and provide the necessary time to increase supply to deal with the increased demand of the holidays.

I find nothing wrong with Sony delaying the Europe launch to may May or June. Its not like the 360 and Wii sales during the months of March, April and possibly May will severely damage Sony's position. However, delaying till Q4 would be suicide and serves no purpose other than maintaining a habitual practice.
 
I personally don't think that Sony has the set of balls to delay in Europe any further, or atleast not beyond may. I't would be way too much the worst case scenario by then and I refuse to believe it could happen until I see it with my very own eyes. They already started the preorder campaign and everything this fall, they couldn't possibly give us any more shaft could they?
 
Boy, I was going to post this last week! Work got the best of me... anyhow, this seems to be a pretty strong rumor at this point.

Looking at it objectively, it is pretty hard to dismiss. I think it has become more than abundantly clear: Sony will not be able to launch the PS3 in meaningful quantities (if at all) in the Spring of 2007.

And Sony's record as of late strongly indicates they a) don't have a problem delaying and b) won't meet demand. First is the PSP which saw significant delays in Europe. Coming out a year later is not out of the Sony handbook. Then there is E3 2005 with the Spring 2006 launch date. Many of doubted this, and as it turns out by late winter 2006 it was abundantly clear from Sony's internal roadmaps that finalization of much of the platform had not been accomplished and a lot of verification was still left. Yet no word on the launch... until it was too late to ship in spring.

Then we got a Fall launch date -- world wide. Only for a) over 40% of the market to see delays and b) shipping numbers drop from 4M, to 2M, and now seemingly to 1M for CY 2006.

Sony has ~5x the customer base as their prime competition and yet is delivering fewer units. That is a problem. A big problem. See: Sony management reshuffle. They have executed poorly (and I am sure KK is pretty ticked at those in charge of BDR) and nothing indicates that a) they can meet the demand/pressures in the US and Japan while at the same time build up ample supply for Europe + localization. March is 90 days away.

Again, March is 90 days away.

So Sony has to choose: Have very little in 3 markets or have a little more in 2 markets. Would those 500k units be more relevant to the US or Europe? Are European gamers going to buy X360's and Wii's if they cannot get a PS3 in Spring or will the lack of PS3s results in the US continue to build pressure and marketshare risk in the US? Will Japanese gamers continue to wait or will the Wii make further inroads?

And then there is the financial angle: Can Sony afford to be building a ton of extra PS3s? Sony went from a projected estimated loss of $900M with the goal of 4M units to an projected estimated loss of $1.7B with less than 2M units (they will be lucky to get 1M units out in CY 2006). It is pretty clear that BluRay production is a major bottleneck in regards to cost and production and has not ramped up anywhere near Sony's goals. Further, the PS3 is costing them a ton, so selling less and/or keeping the high price point seems necessary until this gets under control.

I know I am not the only one who has been predicting this. Likewise I was not the only one to predict that they would not make Spring 2006 back at E3 2005. But a number of us have been seeing the writing on the walls and I dare say the writing that clearly indicated 1) the Spring 2006 delay and 2) the massive shortages at launch are speaking loud and clear.

Of course I fully expect some comments like, "Sony recently announced significant improvements on BluRay diode production". All well and good, but before that can be beneficial it needs to happen. Anyone else remember the "PS3 could launch in 2005 if Sony wanted to" threads? Talk is cheap, and hence far all the talk has been unable to outperform the realities. This is not doom and gloom. BluRay diode production WILL improve and costs WILL drop. Likewise Cell and RSX will be moving to 65nm as well as EE+GS will be removed. Manufacturing is going to get cheaper and easier shortly with large improvements in supply. BUT, huge BUT, Sony will have to immediately fill in Japan where Wii is making noise and especially NA where Wii is not only making noise but the X360 is poised to make a run.

Sony needs to have quantity in regards to the PS3 in NA in 2007. MS not only has Halo 3 but a lot of games coming (Mass Effect, Forza Motorsport 2, Bioshock) plus a back library of cheap games and multiplatform games that are looking better, for the moment, on MS's console. Sony also cannot put themselves in a position where GTAIV is released and MS has a significant market lead in NA. Sony not only needs to get production going, but needs to make sure they are in NA hands. Sony owns Europe, and while a delay will hurt some, continueing a path with little NA penetration will be enough IMO to convince many publishers to stick to the X360 as the primary SKU for at least another year, if not longer. This with a price drop could be detrimental to the PS3 install base. Hence far I have felt MS was aiding their own position without harming Sony's. While Sony's price plan makes 100M in 5 years difficult (although 100M still seems likely for its lifetime), not providing consoles in a timely manner to key strategic areas and providing a realistic profit channel for publishers could harm some of their overall marketshare by the time the dust settles.

I think Sony knows this and they know that 2007 they need to weather the MS storm in NA. If they can get units in people's hands in 2007, even with the Halo craze, Sony will be ready in 2008 and can push ahead. But if they stretch themselves too thin everywhere to "just be there" I think they will hurt themselves. Thus I think Fall 2007 is the EU launch and now and until then Sony is going to hit the US VERY hard. If they decide to go with essentially a paper launch in March 2007 in Europe and are still supply limited in the US and Japan... :nope:

While Sony may ship in EU in March, why should we believe them? The PSP saw a year delay, it is the market with the least at risk to Nintendo and MS, they don't have the demand to supply the US or Japan at this time, production is very expensive, and they have delayed twice now as well as been shown to be totally off in regards to their roadmaps and production numbers.

Is there a reason we should even EXPECT a March 2007 release in Europe?

Outside of Sony sticking to their PR (which they did with the Spring 2006 and WW launch PR as well, and we all know how those turned out) I am not seeing any objective reason why we should expect a March 2007 release.

This is your mission, if you so choose to accept it: What compelling, objective reasons are there to re-inforce the belief that Sony will release in March 2007 in Europe? Can anyone give good, logical reasons how Sony will significantly increase production in 90 days to meet supply and release in Europe?

(No, Sony said they would doesn't count). I guess they could do a small launch with a couple hundred thousand units and call it a day... yet seeing how battered MS got for their production issues, with 5x as many customers I can only imagine the abuse Sony would recieve. Kind of puts in perspective last years WW launch.
 
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