PS Business Briefing 2006 March official info

[liolio]

i want to add that there is 100 millions PS2 and 1 billions games, that 1 or 2 games buy per year. DVD are easily copied...
If you can direct "torrent" the game, it' an huge loss for the bizzness...
Anyway the BR (30GB) needs to be really full to be dissuasive...

 

[one]

Well, seeing the devkit schedule, they were in no way aiming the Spring release and most devs must have known it since the end of the last year Also it's interesting the controler prototype is delivered in April.

 

[pipo]

Well, seeing the devkit schedule, they were in no way aiming the Spring release and most devs must have known it since the end of the last year Also it's interesting the controler prototype is delivered in April.

Indeed. This could still mean some slight upgrade in specs though...

And what about those reports about final devkits that shipped in January?

Edit - one, any thoughts on this? There are some signs there I can't read.

Observation: 'functions available for online titles' - not 'all'?

And what do they mean with the last point ('Entitlement management')?

 

[dantruon]

Does this mean the PS3 will be release in Australia (the abandon land) in November too?

 

[pipo]

Yup.

 

[one]

Edit - one, any thoughts on this? There are some signs there I can't read.

It just says the same thing as the above line. Probably there are games that don't require network in PS3.

As for entitlement management, it says "management of the rights to use contents" so I suppose it's about the right to re-download what you once purchased for free, etc.

 

[liolio]

Does this mean the PS3 will be release in Australia (the abandon land) in November too?

yes you have to read the whole topic, there a quote from katuragy mouth somewhere.
I'm european and happy for me and you

 

[j^aws]

Kutaragi's comments make it explicitly clear. Every player has to have one, whether they get it seperately or in the box.

It's not clear. He mentions this below,

""Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."

...that sounds like MS' stance without knowing whether to have 2 SKUs or not at this moment. There still can be PS3's WITHOUT HDDs and run games, albeit un-enahnced from the slides... that's how I read this...

The SCE president also told the crowd that the PS3 would use a 60GB 2.5" hard disc drive (HDD). A slide show during the presentation said the HDD would will be loaded with the Linux operating system versus Microsoft's Windows OS. The show also said it could be used as a "home server" and be directly connected to the Internet, and be full "upgradeable."

Kutaragi also made it clear that the hard drive will be necessary to play games--Sony is telling developers to make games assuming every PS3 has a hard drive installed. "We view the Hard Drive to be mandatory for the PS3," he said. "Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."

However, Kutaragi revealed that Sony had not decided whether or not the PlayStation 3 would come with the hard-drive pre-installed. "We might end up installing it in all PS3s, though that depends on the market," he said. This raises the possibility that the PS3 could be sold without a piece of hardware needed to play PS3 games--in effect forcing consumers to buy a peripheral for basic functionality.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Isn't MemoryStick required for PSP, but not included? To me asking people to write games assuming an HDD is present, when there's a good chance there won't be one present and the console won't run your game, sounds nonsensical. I go with the idea that there's not a standard HDD, but you ahve to select your choice of HDD to buy with your PS3, same concept as MemoryStick on PSP.

 

[superguy]

Ms said "develop as if the HD WONT be present".

Regardless, there is no way I see PS3 launching with HDD standard. It's too expensive.

Titanio, I dont believe consoles REQUIRE memory cards to function. MS even mentioned, people who say play one game of Madden at a time and NEVER save are supposedly a big market. Some people they never expect to but mem cards either. Some people dumb as it sounds will simply never save a game. At least that's what I infered from what others said MS said back then.

 

[liolio]

Nobody give a **** to my post.
Playstation brand is strong because of the games.
Thing can go bad for first party devs team get peaced off.
Playing games directky fromm hdd screams for HUGE PIRACY ISSUE.
Ms have try to keep this under control (little hdd, download little xbox live games, hdd could help to load a huge map/level reducing download time) but playing directly from hdd is a steal for devs.
I'm wrong or all of you are piracy friendly whithout saying????

 

[Titanio]

It's not clear. He mentions this below,

""Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."

...that sounds like MS' stance without knowing whether to have 2 SKUs or not at this moment.

No it doesn't. He explicitly says NOT to develop as if you need to support HDD or no-HDD as in MS's case. I think it's altogether more clear if what GS reports is true - that it's necessary to play games period, and that it is mandatory.

Anyway, some tools updates from IGN with a little more detail:

End of March - "DEH-R103X" loaner kit, final Cell/RSX, Blu-ray & controller prototypes
Mid-May - "DEH-R104X" loaner kit, final controller and Blu-ray drive
July - final kits available for purchase

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696076p1.html

Thing can go bad for first party devs team get peaced off.
Playing games directky fromm hdd screams for HUGE PIRACY ISSUE.
Ms have try to keep this under control (little hdd, download little xbox live games, hdd could help to load a huge map/level reducing download time) but playing directly from hdd is a steal for devs.
I'm wrong or all of you are piracy friendly whithout saying????

What?! :lol How do you know what game-booting on PS3 will imply? And how do you know it's not secure? And why would someone wanting this make them a pirate if they were only ever going to use it as intended?

Look at the PSP, it's getting a service that lets you download and run PSone games off the memory stick. Me wanting to do that makes me a pirate?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Controller prototypes? Why would you need prototypes and a final version of the controller if it's no different from DS2 in functionality? Does this hint at more than just sticks+buttons?

 

[liolio]

i don't think hdd is an issue, Sony just need a bundle with a huge seller game if the hdd is not include as standart.
Anyway early adopters will buy, the price is not such an issue.
When teh mass market interest will grow the price will be anyway more reasonable

 

[drpepper]

Controller prototypes? Why would you need prototypes and a final version of the controller if it's no different from DS2 in functionality? Does this hint at more than just sticks+buttons?

I think so, I don't think Sony would need to finalize the form factor of the controller. At least it owuldn't be important in a developers point of view.

 

[j^aws]

No it doesn't. He explicitly says NOT to develop as if you need to support HDD or no-HDD as in MS's case.

"we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."

He's leaving wiggle room for PS3's WITH and WITHOUT HDDs. He wouldn't need to tell developers to develop "as though all PS3s have the HDD installed." Because they actually would. Add to that the slides mention enhanced gameplay...

I think it's altogether more clear if what GS reports is true - that it's necessary to play games period, and that it is mandatory.

GS could've easily left out "enhanced" game in their report and misinterpreted the slides...

 

[rabidrabbit]

I think so, I don't think Sony would need to finalize the form factor of the controller. At least it owuldn't be important in a developers point of view.

Not necessarily, it might be just for when the developer needs to show the controller graphically in the game.
Like some config screens, player select screens etc. where theres often a (simplified, showing the form...) image of the whole controller.

 

[liolio]

What?! :lol How do you know what game-booting on PS3 will imply? And how do you know it's not secure? And why would someone wanting this make them a pirate if they were only ever going to use it as intended?

Look at the PSP, it's getting a service that lets you download and run PSone games off the memory stick. Me wanting to do that makes me a pirate?

i'm not trying to be agressive i shall have put a smiley after :

I'm wrong or all of you are piracy friendly whithout saying????.

Yes download PSone game for psp is great but psp frimware is to easily hacked.
game booting fron HDD (you've on purpose not quote from the slide show) seems to say no need for BR disk or means nothing at all.....
I don't know if it will be not secure, i've clearly say : i hope it will be well secure

But linux is nothing magic can be hacked...
Anyway i speculate, the "hdd game boot" is still very undefined at this point.
Anyway this can be the same as small arcade game downloaded on xboxlive

 

[Titanio]

He's leaving wiggle room for PS3's WITH and WITHOUT HDDs.

He says explicitly that they're asking devs to develop as if HDD is in every system INSTEAD of developing for systems with or without a HDD. Rather than develop for both, develop just as if the HDD is there in every system.

game booting fron HDD (you've on purpose not quote from the slide show) seems to say no need for BR disk or mean nothing at all.....

Game booting could be 'just' a service like the PSone service on PSP, or XBL type games etc. But even if it meant you could copy PS3 games to it (though I really know what you'd want to..), you'd still require the BD disc to get the game in the first place.

 

[j^aws]

He says explicitly that they're asking devs to develop as if HDD is in every system INSTEAD of developing for systems with or without a HDD. Rather than develop for both, develop just as if the HDD is there in every system.

He views it as mandatory. I believe his context has been taken out in the reporting. The context would be mandatory for the "enhanced" PS3 experience. There will also be a "tard" PS3 experience. However, making the "enhanced" so compelling would mean most would go for the HDD...

It's not as clear as you make it. Which goes back to my comment about standard vs. required...