Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech

[XpiderMX]

Oh c'mon, the Xbox Surface spec sheet was totally legit.

/me buying a SCSI HD...

 

[Acert93]

Sweetwar seemed to have reliable info.

Do we have a compilation of all his posts relating to the new consoles?

1. Internal PPT doc from 2010.
2. Sweetvar26.
3. Superdae's pictures and vgleak's pictures of the back of the dev kit.

4 If you count the original pastebin article from December 2011.

So can someone compile the Sweetvar26 info (maybe a new thread?) or all 3 sets of data together for the mind number or those with jobs other than browsing forums or jobs that encourage mudding the waters for those interested?

 

[Rangers]

There have only been 3 legitimate leaks (with actual info) that I have seen, only one from inside Microsoft, and that one was actually more confusing than useful.

That may be, but a picture of Durango has seemed to emerge:

8 cores (probably Jaguar)

8 GB DDR

ESRAM

A GPU that may not be particularly powerful.


Unless we're all wrong, sigh

So can someone compile the Sweetvar26 info (maybe a new thread?) or all 3 sets of data together for the mind number or those with jobs other than browsing forums or jobs that encourage mudding the waters for those interested?

Sweetvar26 info IIRC wasnt that interesting. He was a layman who didnt understand the info he was giving at all.

I do recall him saying something to the effect that within AMD the Durango project was looked at as more technically advanced, ambitious, what have you than the the Orbis project, something to that effect.

Also Aegies from Polygon has hinted a lot that Durango is pretty powerful, he said 8x 360 and implied it could grow even more, so there is rumors from both sides.

I still think a Xbox with 8GB DDR+ESRAM+1TF GPU vs a PS4 with 2GB GDDR+2TF GPU (+perhaps 4 traditional piledriver cores) would be quite the fascinating technical battle. The latter would basically be a video card on a stick. Extremely fast but shallow?

VGleaks where art though?

 

[N2O]

That may be, but a picture of Durango has seemed to emerge:

8 cores (probably Jaguar)

8 GB DDR

ESRAM

A GPU that may not be particularly powerful.


Unless we're all wrong, sigh



Sweetvar26 info IIRC wasnt that interesting. He was a layman who didnt understand the info he was giving at all.

I do recall him saying something to the effect that within AMD the Durango project was looked at as more technically advanced, ambitious, what have you than the the Orbis project, something to that effect.

Also Aegies from Polygon has hinted a lot that Durango is pretty powerful, he said 8x 360 and implied it could grow even more, so there is rumors from both sides.

I still think a Xbox with 8GB DDR+ESRAM+1TF GPU vs a PS4 with 2GB GDDR+2TF GPU (+perhaps 4 traditional piledriver cores) would be quite the fascinating technical battle. The latter would basically be a video card on a stick. Extremely fast but shallow?

VGleaks where art though?

Both sounds unbalance
I still don't understand why you think durango with meh GPU and PS4 with low RAM

 

[arijoytunir]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/xbox-720-or-xbox-infinity-announcement-expected-at-e3/18587.html

Leaked information suggests the new Xbox will feature an Intel quad-core processor, 4GB or 8GB of RAM, and an Nvidia graphics card, giving it a significant edge over the Wii U in terms of pure computing power. It is also expected to release a new version of the Kinect, likely with support for up to four players

 

[dagnastyep]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/xbox-720-or-xbox-infinity-announcement-expected-at-e3/18587.html

To me, it looks like the source of that post is just pulling specs from the info superdae leaked out over the summer regarding the alpha Durango dev kit.

 

[Rylan]

It could just be that neither Microsoft or Sony don't particularly want to loose big money on hardware cost vs launch price this time around.

Or that they want a machine that can be shrunk down and turned into a profit much quicker then they have this generation.

It only took Microsoft a year to go from $125 loss per console sold, to $75 profit per console sold.

Strictly speaking BOM and retail price anyway.

 

[Rangers]

I still don't understand why you think durango with meh GPU and PS4 with low RAM

Simple, prevailing rumors.

 

[N2O]

Simple, prevailing rumors.

That's pretty old rumors for both

 

[XpiderMX]

That's pretty old rumors for both

What about the polygon guy info? A gpu with some tech not found on current gpus.

Is he legit?

 

[(((interference)))]

1. Internal PPT doc from 2010.
2. Sweetvar26.
3. Superdae's pictures and vgleak's pictures of the back of the dev kit.

4 If you count the original pastebin article from December 2011.

Yeah, that seems like a good list - though the MS PPT is likely out of date by now (in terms of the hardware specs), but it still gives us glimpses of their overall strategy.

The vgleaks specs themselves also seem to be on the money, they were for the Wii U and its CPU being an enhanced Broadway despite all the claims of Power7.

What were the contents of the Dec 2011 pastebin article?

That may be, but a picture of Durango has seemed to emerge:

8 cores (probably Jaguar)

8 GB DDR

ESRAM

A GPU that may not be particularly powerful.

Also Aegies from Polygon has hinted a lot that Durango is pretty powerful, he said 8x 360 and implied it could grow even more, so there is rumors from both sides.

I still think a Xbox with 8GB DDR+ESRAM+1TF GPU vs a PS4 with 2GB GDDR+2TF GPU (+perhaps 4 traditional piledriver cores) would be quite the fascinating technical battle. The latter would basically be a video card on a stick. Extremely fast but shallow?

VGleaks where art though?

That seems the most likely picture of Durango at the moment, except for the GPU which is 2-2.25TF from the leaked devkits, perhaps the rumours of it being relatively weak are from some earlier kit.

The 8x performance of 360, hinted by Aegies also ties in well with a 2TF GPU.
And IMO I don't see them going with a 1TF GPU, it's only 2x the 500 the Wii U's GPU which is rumoured to be around 500 GFLOPS.

You wouldn't get much of a generation leap in visuals with that, and I stuff like the UE4 or Agni's Philosophy tech demos would be possible without noticeable downgrades in visuals.

2TF+ seems to be the sweetspot, not too powerful, but not weak either.

 

[N2O]

What about the polygon guy info? A gpu with some tech not found on current gpus.

Is he legit?

I don't even checked the polygon rumors,how can i know,plus i'm not insider,i just have some friends work for MS

But i think it's not really surprise if the GPU come with some future tech.

 

[Prophecy2k]

I don't even checked the polygon rumors,how can i know,plus i'm not insider,i just have some friends work for MS

But i think it's not really surprise if the GPU come with some future tech.

If your friends work for MS then why have you been posting info about the PS4 as well? Surely they won't have a clue what's in Sony's box beyond guesses and stuff they've heard from devs, I.e. all the stuff in recent rumours.

Not very reliable (for ps4 info.) I think. For Durango, I guess they may be, but it remains to be seen how much they really know, as they could be janitors in charge of cleaning the windows offices for all we know ;-)

 

[(((interference)))]

When did N2O said he had sources within MS?

I thought he was just translating the posts by the AMD China employees.

What exactly is he claiming will be in the next Xbox/PS4?

 

[Rangers]

That seems the most likely picture of Durango at the moment, except for the GPU which is 2-2.25TF from the leaked devkits,

debunked by bkilian

 

[(((interference)))]

debunked by bkilian

Where exactly

EDIT: Oh wait, found it.

Do you? Do you know that for a fact? Like I said earlier, your "fact" is based on looking at the output configuration of a card and inferring the identity of the card from that. I can tell you folks right now, nobody got it right, for a number of reasons.

Ok, well yes, it's not a fact, but in the absence of other information, it is more likely than the converse being true - that the external appearance of the card does not indicate its identity (especially seeing as it is alpha hardware, so likely to use off the shelf parts).

But perhaps you are supplying us with said other information.
Do you mean that the cards in those kits are already custom silicon and simply using the output config of the HD6870/6950?

If so, then yes, maybe it's not a HD6870/6950 in the kits.

But I still expect the final card to be as powerful (if not more). I simply don't see how a ~1TF card will offer any great leap over a Wii U, and lherre has claimed that the gap between Wii U and Durango is as big as Dreamcast vs Xbox. Which would not be borne out by the above scenario (nor does it mesh with the polygon rumours).

In any case the HD6870 is a budget card, I find it hard to believe that an MS console launching this year will have a GPU significantly weaker than it.
They can easily do a ~ 2TF card within their die/TDP budget, it wouldn't be nearly as high end a card as Xenos was in 2005.

 

[Prophecy2k]

When did N2O said he had sources within MS?

I thought he was just translating the posts by the AMD China employees.

What exactly is he claiming will be in the next Xbox/PS4?

Erm... in the post directly above mine?

 

[Docwiz]

There have only been 3 legitimate leaks (with actual info) that I have seen, only one from inside Microsoft, and that one was actually more confusing than useful.

Is the GPU inside of the final Durango dev kit going to be less than 2 TF or higher than 2 TF?

 

[Prophecy2k]

But perhaps you are supplying us with said other information.
Do you mean that the cards in those kits are already custom silicon and simply using the output config of the HD6870/6950?

If so, then yes, maybe it's not a HD6870/6950 in the kits.

But I still expect the final card to be as powerful (if not more). I simply don't see how a ~1TF card will offer any great leap over a Wii U, and lherre has claimed that the gap between Wii U and Durango is as big as Dreamcast vs Xbox. Which would not be borne out by the above scenario (nor does it mesh with the polygon rumours).

In any case the HD6870 is a budget card, I find it hard to believe that an MS console launching this year will have a GPU significantly weaker than it.
They can easily do a ~ 2TF card within their die/TDP budget, it wouldn't be nearly as high end a card as Xenos was in 2005.

You quote Iherre as though the statement offers anything at all of substance. Saying the difference between X nextgen console vs WiiU will be more or less Y old gen console vs Z old gen console is far worse than people ignorantly banding about useless flops comparisons or worse still people making sweeping statements about unreleased console processing performance based solely on unsubstantiated rumours about cores counts and clock speeds. It's all pretty useless and tell us pratically nothing.

If anything, SKYSONY's alleged private PM tells us more about Durango than what you posted from Iherre, despite the fact that both bits of non-info come from completely untrustworthy sources.

 

[Prophecy2k]

Is the GPU inside of the final Durango dev kit going to be less than 2 TF or higher than 2 TF?

Direct... That's what I'm talking about

bkilian, you might like to give us "moar" or "jess" of your wisdom regarding the number of duct taped cubes in our next-gen sandwich...

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