Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech

[Rangers]

So perhaps 1-1.5 TF GPU is true. Sad.

Talking to the guy some more he claimed the dev kit is an Intel/Nvidia combo. I dont think that's even possible. Then he tried to tell me the GPU was like a 5xxx. I was like a 560Ti? Because 5xxx range is AMD. He said no, remember Nvidia made a 5xxx range too. I was like yeah, in 2003. Then he logged off. As of now I'm pretty sure he's a lying troll lol. False alarm.

Unless Durango actually comes out to be Intel/nvidia. I'm trying to think if we have hard info other than common sense that it's not.

Hmm, lherre only said "it is not power PC"...

 

[N2O]

Ah,another "insider",another different answer
Not sure why people even easily believe that anyway,is because it's about next-gen Xbox?

 

[Scott_Arm]

Kind of a neat look at a high level view of a system design
http://i.imgur.com/xnxhk.jpg

The rest of the figures are quite interesting... They look pretty much like the leaked system slide, just a lot better thought out.

edit:

It kind of reminds me of Windows Experience Index for some reason...

edit2:

Some of the figures showing alternative configurations
http://imgur.com/a/qsgHG#0

If this is the new console, than whatever guesses I've made as to what it was going to be, how much it is going to cost and how much power it is going to use, are all wrong. Very interesting.

 

[Rangers]

If this is the new console, than whatever guesses I've made as to what it was going to be, how much it is going to cost and how much power it is going to use, are all wrong.

wrong in which direction?

 

[ERP]

Kind of a neat look at a high level view of a system design
http://i.imgur.com/xnxhk.jpg

The rest of the figures are quite interesting... They look pretty much like the leaked system slide, just a lot better thought out.

edit:

It kind of reminds me of Windows Experience Index for some reason...

edit2:

Some of the figures showing alternative configurations
http://imgur.com/a/qsgHG#0

OK I could see someone building that, wouldn't even be that expensive, any number of mobile ARM devices could meet the "platform" side requirements, but how would you run the always on part in Europe where you have a 1W standby power restriction?

The diagrams seem to depict memory being shared between the processors, I don't think you could refresh 4 or 8Gb's of memory with 1W, but I could be wrong.

 

[Scott_Arm]

wrong in which direction?

If this is the type of design the new Microsoft console follows, I'm guessing price goes up, because that looks like a complex design. That said, if the "application" side resources turn out to be kind of wimpy, then maybe that keeps price in line.

No matter how it turns out, putting two parallel systems inside the box is not what I was expecting at all. It does have some interesting implications. Can you update the system firmware on the "platform" side while you are playing a game on the "application" side? If an application locks up, can you kill it without locking the "platform" side?

It would be interesting if the platform and application sides used different CPU/GPU architectures.

For some reason I can't view the drawings attached to that patent application.

 

[Scott_Arm]

OK I could see someone building that, wouldn't even be that expensive, any number of mobile ARM devices could meet the "platform" side requirements, but how would you run the always on part in Europe where you have a 1W standby power restriction?

The diagrams seem to depict memory being shared between the processors, I don't think you could refresh 4 or 8Gb's of memory with 1W, but I could be wrong.

Think about this: "platform" side is an Nvidia Tegra running Windows 8 RT to be consistent with the Surface, making some sense of Xbox 8 rumours. "Application" side has an x86 CPU or PowerPC CPU with an AMD GPU. Whaaaat? I have no idea if that situation could happen, as it's pure speculation, but it sure would be crazy.

 

[anexanhume]

Talking to the guy some more he claimed the dev kit is an Intel/Nvidia combo. I dont think that's even possible. Then he tried to tell me the GPU was like a 5xxx. I was like a 560Ti? Because 5xxx range is AMD. He said no, remember Nvidia made a 5xxx range too. I was like yeah, in 2003. Then he logged off. As of now I'm pretty sure he's a lying troll lol. False alarm.

Unless Durango actually comes out to be Intel/nvidia. I'm trying to think if we have hard info other than common sense that it's not.

Hmm, lherre only said "it is not power PC"...

Sounds like he's trolling with original xbox specs minus the GPU (which was a hybrid of 3xxx and 4xxx I thought).

 

[AlNom]

For some reason I can't view the drawings attached to that patent application.

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Unless Durango actually comes out to be Intel/nvidia. I'm trying to think if we have hard info other than common sense that it's not.

Well, it is a bit curious that 1313 and Agni's Philosophy were both shown off on nV GPUs.

 

[steviep]

Well, it is a bit curious that 1313 and Agni's Philosophy were both shown off on nV GPUs.

Doesn't nV send out a lot more "freebies"/dev stuff than ATI in that regard?

 

[onQ]

If this is the type of design the new Microsoft console follows, I'm guessing price goes up, because that looks like a complex design. That said, if the "application" side resources turn out to be kind of wimpy, then maybe that keeps price in line.

No matter how it turns out, putting two parallel systems inside the box is not what I was expecting at all. It does have some interesting implications. Can you update the system firmware on the "platform" side while you are playing a game on the "application" side? If an application locks up, can you kill it without locking the "platform" side?

It would be interesting if the platform and application sides used different CPU/GPU architectures.

For some reason I can't view the drawings attached to that patent application.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481827

You can see them at the link someone ripped them from the site & re-uploaded them.

 

[ERP]

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Well, it is a bit curious that 1313 and Agni's Philosophy were both shown off on nV GPUs.

Again you read way to much into this stuff.

Not really the 680 is the fastest single GPU card available, and it's E3, home of the hacks.
If I were a 3rd party developing a nextgen title right now, I'd be focussed on techniques and tools, I'd worry about getting it running on real hardware when I had it.
I can develop those techniques whether ATI or NV graphics hardware is being used. At E3 I want to show something cool not necessarily how my current code might run on some none existent unannounced hardware, I'd bet the boxes were running Intel CPU's as well for much the same reason.

 

[AlNom]

Fair enough.

 

[Rangers]

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Well, it is a bit curious that 1313 and Agni's Philosophy were both shown off on nV GPUs.

Now the guy says he misspoke cause he was tired and it's an AMD 7xxx GPU . Still says it's an Intel CPU tho. And claims he will put more on his twitter "eventually".

 

[N2O]

Well seems like after many pages some people went back to 4x-6x thing,and so confident to bet it's true

I'm not saying 6x is not enough,but they can make it even powerful and still profit or break even in short time,that's why i said the leaked doc was outdated

 

[onQ]

Well seems like after many pages some people went back to 4x-6x thing,and so confident to bet it's true

I'm not saying 6x is not enough,but they can make it even powerful and still profit or break even in short time,that's why i said the leaked doc was outdated

You was the last person to speak of the 6X thing & that was on the last page, what are you talking about?

 

[Acert93]

OK I could see someone building that, wouldn't even be that expensive, any number of mobile ARM devices could meet the "platform" side requirements, but how would you run the always on part in Europe where you have a 1W standby power restriction?

The diagrams seem to depict memory being shared between the processors, I don't think you could refresh 4 or 8Gb's of memory with 1W, but I could be wrong.

I just pulled a 12 hour day and won't have a lot of time to review all the links until next week as I will be gone all weekend. As this thread moves really fast could someone please offer a break down of the patent? I see MS placed it and approved in June 2012, but what is the gist? Essentially 2 platforms running on the same hardware, similar to NV's Tegra with 4+1 cores?

 

[N2O]

You was the last person to speak of the 6X thing & that was on the last page, what are you talking about?

Wat?i'm the last person speak about 6X thing doesn't mean i said next-gen Xbox will be 6X
You sounds like that anyway,but i'm not going against you

Because many people in here so confident about Next-gen Xbox spec,whatever powerful or not

 

[Scott_Arm]

I just pulled a 12 hour day and won't have a lot of time to review all the links until next week as I will be gone all weekend. As this thread moves really fast could someone please offer a break down of the patent? I see MS placed it and approved in June 2012, but what is the gist? Essentially 2 platforms running on the same hardware, similar to NV's Tegra with 4+1 cores?

2 "CPUs" and 2 "GPUs" in the same box. One set (platform) provides services and the other set (application) runs multimedia applications. The platform side would be online services, recording from digital tv, streaming to other devices etc. The multimedia side would be games and maybe media center apps for playback? Each one has some reserved memory. It looks like there are also shared memory resources. I'm not sure I quite understand memory allocation, because there is something about requests for memory, which doesn't fit the manual approach normally seen on console. I don't know if devs would like dynamically allocated memory.

 

[Kb-Smoker]

Wat?i'm the last person speak about 6X thing doesn't mean i said next-gen Xbox will be 6X
You sounds like that anyway,but i'm not going against you

Because many people in here so confident about Next-gen Xbox spec,whatever powerful or not

Everything that has been leaked now is at least 10x. We had lherre say straight out that the ps3 was about 10x and the next xbox was more powerful than that.

I think the biggest problem with the different Xx is its a bad measurement.