You still need to solve chip density and thus # of chips. Don't forget that each bit requires 2 wires anyway.
Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech
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Samsung is the primary supplier of GDDR memory. They have around 75% of the GDDR market.
It would be Rambus supplying XDR2 memory bus technology to Microsoft for the GPU. Then it would be up to Microsoft to find a source for the actual RAM. For XDR2 to be a cost-effective solution Samsung needs to fully back the standard, and that seems more likely now.
OK you imply that basically Samsung having lost its legal suit against Rambus (more the other ay around... anyway) that those patent issues could have further impact than expected on GDDR6 development, with Samsung possibly producing/licensing Rambus technology.
Rambus has always claimed GDDR is in violation of its patents.
Microsoft perhaps would be more intrested in XDR3 (the terrabyte initiative or whatever they call it ) which has a 32x signal rate. So XDR2 might get skipped over.
XDR x8 signal rate
XDR2 x16 signal rate
XDR3 x32 signal rate
http://www.rambus.com/us/products/tbi/index.html
What's the point in doing all the work getting XDR2/3 to actually work in a commercially viable way if you could just do the same work for a non Rambus standard? They have the patent license either way. Ignoring the PR spin for a moment I think Samsung will just wash their hands of it.
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The Terrabyte Initiative does and has been in the works for years at Rambus.
Here is an article dated back to November 2007.
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/new...th-initiative-looks-to-2010-many-core-era.ars
You are right there. It didn't occur to me how fully locked-down the console space is and how that would affect console DD. Consoles are rather scary in that way. Consumers lose a lot of choice with them and it has gotten worse with the growing popularity of online services. Paying for the right to enjoy multiplayer, for example, lol.
Prophecy2k
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You're quite right there mate... and if DD-only becomes the future of the home console industry then i'm afraid i wouldn't have the finances to continue gaming.
You're quite right there mate... and if DD-only becomes the future of the home console industry then i'm afraid i wouldn't have the finances to continue gaming.
If the last Christmas sale on Steam is any indication, you'll buy more games than you can ever can play in such a market.
green.pixel
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When enough cost-effective power is available?
And why would you want RT anyway, when you can have nearly the same results with "faking" using much less resources?
I think that graphics whoring has to stop and eventually will someday. We need advancements in other fields too, not just pushing prettier pixels. Like Shifty said, all we have today is fancy graphics on top of standard, "boring" gameplay. That won't cut it anymore, at least to me.
And why would you want RT anyway, when you can have nearly the same results with "faking" using much less resources?
I think that graphics whoring has to stop and eventually will someday. We need advancements in other fields too, not just pushing prettier pixels. Like Shifty said, all we have today is fancy graphics on top of standard, "boring" gameplay. That won't cut it anymore, at least to me.
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I remember that xdr2 was denser than gddr5, and when it comes to real traces i get a little confused.
A 128bit gddr5 how many traces needs?
And how many an xdr2 setup with similar bandwidth and GB?
Well my thought process is Sony using XDR AND GDDR3 in the PS3 and the next gen being an evolutionary step.
Problem is that no one is making anything denser than 512M right now. The spec does go up to 4Gbit, but... it's going to be an expensive venture for awhile regardless.
1 wire per bus width bit
Bandwidth is their selling point really. The problem still remains with the number of chips and banks. I'm willing to bet they don't want to go over 8 memory chips total, so it would come down to pricing on the higher density production.
That said, I'm not seeing any reason they'd go with XDR when ATI and nVidia will have more experience with GDDR5 support.
Saga_Studios
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102 Pages, thats alot of reading, only read about 3 of them. The way I see it is like this.
Wii2-2011-2012
Xbox720-2012
PS4-2014-2016
Nintendo and Mircosoft are gonna try to milk enough money out of these consoles. Sonys gonna try to make money on there system, which they haven't done yet, that being they'll be the last out of the gate. There gonna watch and learn and try to see what the other two are up to and how they can figure out a way to beat them in the next round. Nintendo will need to up grade to at least 2-3 times the power of the 360, that would be huge for them. Xbox 720 will not come out till 2012, not 2011 2012 it wil come out or beond that. You have to remember that 2012 Mass Effect 3 comes out and there gonna try to milk the effects of this hit to sell as many 360s as they can. Heck they might not release the 720 till 2013. The Wii2, 720 will have some type of PM and have backwards cb. 720 might also come out with a ddl only system, and one that does some type of usb, ssd, maybe even a flash memory. Maybe they will bring back HDDDVD, or go blu-ray. Who knows. I'm guessing though that they will have some type of PM, cause making just a ddl, would be suicide. Half the 360s in the usa aren't online, only about 40% of them are. Same goes for the PS4, and they have less people online than 360. Look it up if you don't belive me. Internet just isn't going to be there by the time these systems come out, if they want to go complete ddl. DDL won't come until the following gen at least. Even then, we may only see a verison of there PM system, that is complete DDL. DDL, would ruin the business, sure stops piracy, and used game sales, so what? If you complain about used game sales, who cares? If your complaing aound used game sales then the game your making must truly be a second class, even a third class title. PM will be around longer than you think. PM won't go away anytime soon. What do you think Walmart, gamestop, and the rest of these stores will do? They won't sell them, and if they do the'll just jack the price up to make up for there loses. DDL will be on the system, but PM will be around for this next gen. Less than Half the US doesn't have high speed internet. And don't forget about the speed and the caps. Say COD9 comes out, and it was DDL only, it would destory the net. PM will be aound for decades to come. They just have to decide what direction to go. Make a better disc, or use some type of USB, or something. Will we ever go complete DDL, maybe, in 20 years. And for those who think that DDL will happen this gen, look at this, look at the world, and you tell me, how many people have fast internet that goes 50MB+, and has no caps? Tell me this how long would it take to down load a game like MGS4 thats 50 gigs? People won't put up with this sort of crap, and it will fail. And if a game goes 100s of gigi, maybe even a TB, people won't put up with this, it will fail, its not gonna happen. I laugh at someone who says that DDL is gonna be all the systems next gen, sorry not gonna happen look at the facts. Heck by 2020s we may have a 4TB disc, think DDL still gonna happen? Maybe if the internet is up to par, but if its not, its not gonna go DDL. PM all the way. Oh and Sony, will not release the PS4 until, they make money on the PS and fix there PSNetwork. I wounldn't be suprized if all the next gen systems have some sort of motion, sound, 3D-4D contoller at launch.
Wii2-2011-2012
Xbox720-2012
PS4-2014-2016
Nintendo and Mircosoft are gonna try to milk enough money out of these consoles. Sonys gonna try to make money on there system, which they haven't done yet, that being they'll be the last out of the gate. There gonna watch and learn and try to see what the other two are up to and how they can figure out a way to beat them in the next round. Nintendo will need to up grade to at least 2-3 times the power of the 360, that would be huge for them. Xbox 720 will not come out till 2012, not 2011 2012 it wil come out or beond that. You have to remember that 2012 Mass Effect 3 comes out and there gonna try to milk the effects of this hit to sell as many 360s as they can. Heck they might not release the 720 till 2013. The Wii2, 720 will have some type of PM and have backwards cb. 720 might also come out with a ddl only system, and one that does some type of usb, ssd, maybe even a flash memory. Maybe they will bring back HDDDVD, or go blu-ray. Who knows. I'm guessing though that they will have some type of PM, cause making just a ddl, would be suicide. Half the 360s in the usa aren't online, only about 40% of them are. Same goes for the PS4, and they have less people online than 360. Look it up if you don't belive me. Internet just isn't going to be there by the time these systems come out, if they want to go complete ddl. DDL won't come until the following gen at least. Even then, we may only see a verison of there PM system, that is complete DDL. DDL, would ruin the business, sure stops piracy, and used game sales, so what? If you complain about used game sales, who cares? If your complaing aound used game sales then the game your making must truly be a second class, even a third class title. PM will be around longer than you think. PM won't go away anytime soon. What do you think Walmart, gamestop, and the rest of these stores will do? They won't sell them, and if they do the'll just jack the price up to make up for there loses. DDL will be on the system, but PM will be around for this next gen. Less than Half the US doesn't have high speed internet. And don't forget about the speed and the caps. Say COD9 comes out, and it was DDL only, it would destory the net. PM will be aound for decades to come. They just have to decide what direction to go. Make a better disc, or use some type of USB, or something. Will we ever go complete DDL, maybe, in 20 years. And for those who think that DDL will happen this gen, look at this, look at the world, and you tell me, how many people have fast internet that goes 50MB+, and has no caps? Tell me this how long would it take to down load a game like MGS4 thats 50 gigs? People won't put up with this sort of crap, and it will fail. And if a game goes 100s of gigi, maybe even a TB, people won't put up with this, it will fail, its not gonna happen. I laugh at someone who says that DDL is gonna be all the systems next gen, sorry not gonna happen look at the facts. Heck by 2020s we may have a 4TB disc, think DDL still gonna happen? Maybe if the internet is up to par, but if its not, its not gonna go DDL. PM all the way. Oh and Sony, will not release the PS4 until, they make money on the PS and fix there PSNetwork. I wounldn't be suprized if all the next gen systems have some sort of motion, sound, 3D-4D contoller at launch.
Saga_Studios
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Oh the next gen, will have a PM that doesn't allow for piracy, won't stop used game sales.
I fear after the Wii showing Sony/MS how to make the real money, they will try to emulate it even more than they already are. Resulting in a far smaller technological leap than we've been getting the last few generations.
We'll obviously still be using physical mediums.
I'm hoping at least, 60 fps, 1080p, every game. And in 3D/120fps on Sonys.
We'll obviously still be using physical mediums.
I'm hoping at least, 60 fps, 1080p, every game. And in 3D/120fps on Sonys.
I really dont know why people are expecting every next-gen game to be at 60fps...?
Each generation passing, the less 60fps games we have. So we should get less 60fps games than the current gen we are.
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