Old Discussion Thread for all 3 motion controllers

[patsu]

Toy Story 3 dev interview:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010...3-hands-on-with-zurg-playstation-move-update/

Zurg will also tie into the game’s PlayStation Move support, which will be available as a downloadable mini-games later in this fall after the game’s release in June. In one mini-game, Zurg will be able to shoot at targets from a first-person perspective using PlayStation Move to aim and fire. Details are still early

Nah... leave the mini-games to PSN. Do a proper natural interface extension for Toy Story 3, like allowing me and my son to custom make a toy to help the heroes out.

 

[obonicus]

I know nothing more about it than that picture. I assumed they were getting performers in front of Natal. Otherwise...what's the pont? "Here's some performers, and here's a CE product, and the two are unrelated but we thought we'd put them together for the fun of it."

The idea of E3 as a spectacle?

 

[MrFloopy]

I'm sorry, but where did we get the information that the circus performers were going to be doing anything other than what they normally do, which is put on a show.

There is certainly nothing in that picture that suggests they will doing anything other than a normal performance as part of a launch show spectacular, which is hardly newsworthy or even new.

 

[Alucardx23]

I'm sorry, but where did we get the information that the circus performers were going to be doing anything other than what they normally do, which is put on a show.

There is certainly nothing in that picture that suggests they will doing anything other than a normal performance as part of a launch show spectacular, which is hardly newsworthy or even new.

Well this might be a preview of things to come.

More shots.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?i...04&s=20&hash=35b53a9ba15ed4b5269938435c1141c7

 

[patsu]

I think it's because the article says "mysterious performance by Cirque Du Soleil". If it's merely a sideshow, then it reminds me of a dotcom boom event (e.g., IBM ushered the river dance troop on-stage and into their booth to launch something).

Well this might be a preview of things to come.

How does he aim ?
[size=-2]I see injuries, lawsuits, and... dead people.[/size]

Seriously, I think a good Natal Yoga game performed by a Soleil girl would suffice.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I'm sorry, but where did we get the information that the circus performers were going to be doing anything other than what they normally do, which is put on a show.

There is certainly nothing in that picture that suggests they will doing anything other than a normal performance as part of a launch show spectacular, which is hardly newsworthy or even new.

I do believe you're right. Toyota Yaris doesn't make family movies, but they do bring us the family matinees on channel 5 (or whatever it is). This is probably just a crowd puller to get people to arrive at the same place MS will be holding Natal demos/talks.

 

[Cyan]

Blizzard developers are looking into the possibility of bringing Starcraft 2 to consoles taking into account the possibilities of the new controls. In fact Sony demoed the PS Move playing Starcraft at the GDC so there might be a connection there between this news and that demo time ago.

I've never played Starcraft, actually and I think I will never get good playing it, but this could open up a whole new possibility for bringing Diablo 3 to consoles too. I played Diablo 2 back in the day and it's a classic.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=246052?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-News-RSS

Starcraft 2 on console 'a possibility', says Blizzard... but no plans yet. PS3 or 360 release is 'not on our radar right now', says lead designer

The lead designer of Starcraft 2 has told CVG that Blizzard may take the game to console in future.

Chris Sigaty said that the move wouldn't happen anytime soon - but it was something that the developer was interested in exploring.

"Console is not on the radar for us right now, but there have been a lot of interesting moves in that direction - taking RTS to consoles - and there's been some pretty cool things on the control side," he told CVG.

"I still think that at least from our perspective it feels like the mouse and keyboard just lends itself to this style - but you know we're getting closer and closer all the time. So when we see that optimum moment I think it's certainly possible that we'll explore that junction as well. It's just not on the radar right now."

Sony previously demo'd the power of PS3 Move by controlling a game of Starcraft at GDC.

Blizzard this month confirmed Starcraft's release date as July 27.

 

[_phil_]

I have good sources that neither sony nor MS really want Blizard on their console(and for sound reasons,IMO),so i bet it'll never happen.

Sony demoed the PS Move playing Starcraft at the GDC

that's a bit a stretch...

 

[upnorthsox]

I have good sources that neither sony nor MS really want Blizard on their console(and for sound reasons,IMO),so i bet it'll never happen.


that's a bit a stretch...

What are the sounds reasoms? Just curious.

 

[dragonelite]

Blizzard developers are looking into the possibility of bringing Starcraft 2 to consoles taking into account the possibilities of the new controls. In fact Sony demoed the PS Move playing Starcraft at the GDC so there might be a connection there between this news and that demo time ago.

I've never played Starcraft, actually and I think I will never get good playing it, but this could open up a whole new possibility for bringing Diablo 3 to consoles too. I played Diablo 2 back in the day and it's a classic.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=246052?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-News-RSS

On a other forum we were having a talk about how natal could work with shooters.

But i said natal isn't made to replace shooters but to maybe introduce new genres that wont really work with a normal controller.

I came up with this control scheme for a rts game.
to lazy to retype it so im gonna copy past it.

I suppose natal rts control scheme could be like this.

Zooming in & out
*move both hand forward maybe hold hand in special position like a knuckle or something else to not confuse natal. You know like pulling the screen to you or pushing it away.

camera rotation
*Move hand like you would steer a car only with one hand.

left mouse click
*Tapping motion with 2 fingers for increase accuracy two finger are easier to track then one(index and middle finger for example)

Selection field
*With pairs of finger moving diagonal from each other.
You know like you would zoom in with a picture on a iphone.

Assigning groups
*Just have like x-amount of units tell natal to make them group 1,2,3 etc. voice recognition ftw

Mini map zoom
*just double tap on minimap.
tap where you want to go on the mini map camera moves to that part of the mini map.

select same kind of units on screen and upgrade units.
*Make use of a selection wheel to access it you just tap on unit to select without moving hand forward or backward to much move you hand horizontal to your right then move over the wheel to select upgrades and same unit selection.

I think i have just called up most basic RTS function im sure the guys working with natal can think of a more natural rts natal control scheme.

 

[patsu]

Heh, TV Superstar is similar to what I just said above:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/05/14/playstation-move-developer-diary-tv-superstars/

At the core of the game is the theme that you, the players, are taking an action-packed journey through the crazy world of TV shows with a virtual “you” that’s created using the PlayStation Eye. Seeing yourself appear within the game is guaranteed to make you smile. I know the development team certainly enjoyed playing and testing the game. It’s been a crazy game to work on and we’ve had a lot of laughs in the process.

I am thinking along the line of American Idol, British Got Talent rather than a fake TV game show though.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I was wondering about the technical limitations of Natal the other day, based on discussion here about tracking fast movements. A 60 Hz capture isn't going to be too accurate for quick jabs and the like, I thought, regards the position of limbs at sampling time. But then it occured to me now we know they are using an optical method and not TOF, we have another issue to contend with - 'shutter speed'. If the shutter speed is low, the sampling patterns will experience blurring which could affect depth perception. I wonder if this is one of the issues with Natal's funny moments, that the skeleton mapping software is receiving poor-quality data and can't make a good judgement?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Heh, TV Superstar is similar to what I just said above:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/05/14/playstation-move-developer-diary-tv-superstars/

Seems a well-timed product.

 

[Graham]

I'm sorry, but where did we get the information that the circus performers were going to be doing anything other than what they normally do, which is put on a show.

There is certainly nothing in that picture that suggests they will doing anything other than a normal performance as part of a launch show spectacular, which is hardly newsworthy or even new.

Yeah. Their inclusion suggests to me that Microsoft are pushing this to get as much non-game media coverage as possible. There is very little (any?) precedent for main stream media to cover E3 events.

I've read elsewhere they are also banning any recording equipment from the show. Their suggestion being there is an exclusivity deal in place for the rights to air the presentation. (I also think it'd look bad if 75% of the audience was buried deep in the laptops ).

Do they still have a normal E3 conference the next day?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I've read elsewhere they are also banning any recording equipment from the show.

So this is the same event as the one described here.

"The Sunday night event is separate from Microsoft's E3 show on Monday June 14, and is intended to showcase the universal appeal of Project Natal at the 10,000 capacity Galen Centre in Los Angeles. "

 

[_phil_]

What are the sounds reasoms? Just curious.

People that play blizzard games don't play nor buy any other games.
They're mostly monomaniac demographics.
Before you ask , yes , that was expressed by high level representatives.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

That wouldn't be a problem if the console company got a reasonable cut of the monthly fee, but that'd be quite hard to negotiate I imagine. It should be new blood, as existing PC MMORPGers don't buy a console as all they play is WOW. That said, would existing console owners really want to play WOW? If so, surely they would be already.

 

[Delta9]

Some pricing on Natal.

three Swedish retail sites are all listing the device for 1,499 SEK, which works out to just under a whopping $200.

http://kotaku.com/5540223/swedish-retailers-spill-project-natal-price-and-its-expensive

 

[patsu]

Yuro folks always get slapped with higher price. Will have to see what the bundled software and services include.

I suspect MS and Sony will do a "if you subscribe with us, you can get the hardware cheaper or free" deal later on.
[size=-2]... or at launch ?[/size]

 

[obonicus]

Just for comparison sake, could anyone list the price for a 360/PS3/Wii in SEK?

Edit: Seems that for a 360 Elite it's ~2299SEK?