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Shifty Geezer said:
The second YouTube one shows lag similar to Natal. You can also see on the silhouette errors in the camera's depth perception. I wonder if Natal has this too?
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If they both use patterned light I would assume they both have this problem. The patterns need to be big enough to resolve, so that limits the resolution near edges.

I really wonder why time of flight has to be so expensive, it seems to me to be a rather trivial variation of CMOS image sensor (you "just" need nanosecond precise timing for the reset and the transfer gate across the entire chip). Shrug, probably a patent issue.
 
So E3 is going to have to be a stellar showing, because they'll have only 4 months from then to release, meaning precious little time to make changes. And then Sony's hand will be being pushed if they are looking to launch a little later. It's likethe console laucnhes all over again!
 
It's possible to track individual fingers when the camera zooms into it. I don't think there's any doubt. I posted a video on PSEye tracking individual fingers somewhere in this thread.
[EDIT: http://codelaboratories.com/showcase/view/hand_tracking]

It depends on how you intend to use the data. Very often, you don't need to track individual fingers, and so you don't have to zoom into it. :) You also don't have to calculate the "finger skeleton" if you don't want to.
 
dragonelite said:
i thought that natal wasn't able to track fingers.
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Tracking fingers as part of the overall skeleton tracking, that's almost certianly a 'no.' You could move the hands nearer the camera to do finger tracking though.
Source is in german but i think this quote tells enough.
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Sadly it doesn't have context. What did it track regards finger use? Eyetoy 'tracked the fingers' when you wiggled them over a button, but all it was really registering was changes in pixel values. Natal's camera can do that.

With the specs we've got so far, the likelihood of mapping bones to the fingers is very remote. It's also probably asking too much considering this is first generation hardware for 3D cameras!
 
Graham said:
Early price for a PS Move controller, $60 CAD. (appears to be the controller on it's own)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/playstation-move-controller-priced-at-60-in-canada/

It fits with the talk of $100 Controller + PS Eye.
Dangerous game for sony to play, two-move games like boxing will potentially be demanding $160 in accessories. Not insignificant.
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Also says ships 1 September, for what it's worth. Already have the PS Eye, and will definitely be buying two Moves at launch.
 
:)

Whatever happens, the 4th quarter of this year will probably be the most insane ever. Move,Natal+slim,Reach,COD,GT5 (? :mrgreen:) etc etc. And we haven't got to E3 yet.
 
Graham said:
Dangerous game for sony to play, two-move games like boxing will potentially be demanding $160 in accessories. Not insignificant.
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The motion controller is $5-10 more than SIXAXIS.

It should be possible to get a cheaper bundle if you buy all of 'em at the same time. The distribution cost can be amortized over the controller(s), PSEye and game. e.g., PSEye retails for $30 or more, but PSEye + Eye of Judgment at launch was $70, $10 above a regular BR game. During promo, it could go down cheaper.

I don't think Sony will offer much discount at first though. Hardware manufacturers have always been very careful/conservative in setting prices (Kutaragi being an exception).

I am curious what combo packages Sony will release.
 
It’s not the first time that October has been leaked as the release date.

Natal release date is October - Jonathan Ross

Jonathan Ross may have let slip the true release date for Natal, pinning MS's motion-sensing camera for an October release following his hands-on test yesterday.

As reported earlier, MS released a video of Ross having an early play-around with the new motion tech, which presumably took place yesterday.

Ross tweeted last night: "OK. Before bed. Natal on X Box impressive. Not quite there yet i think but tye have til october and if they get it right...skys the limit."

Whoops! Did MS tell you that during your test, Mr. Ross? Did they forget to tell you not to tell the entire world?

It's not the first time Wossy's leaked Microsoft secrets, of course: last year he Tweeted the first word on Fable III.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=236014
 
patsu said:
The motion controller is $5-10 more than SIXAXIS.

It should be possible to get a cheaper bundle if you buy all of 'em at the same time. The distribution cost can be amortized over the controller(s), PSEye and game. e.g., PSEye retails for $30 or more, but PSEye + Eye of Judgment at launch was $70, $10 above a regular BR game. During promo, it could go down cheaper.

I don't think Sony will offer much discount at first though. Hardware manufacturers have always been very careful/conservative in setting prices (Kutaragi being an exception).

I am curious what combo packages Sony will release.
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Sony isn't stupid they will hopefully price them right.

However the real problem is that you only need 1 natal so even if natal is $100 buying just two move controlers + eye toy at currently known prices would put u at $150 vs $100 and natal will let two more people play.

Many wont understand the price diffrence and sony can launch with more compelling software.
 
eastmen said:
Sony isn't stupid they will hopefully price them right.

However the real problem is that you only need 1 natal so even if natal is $100 buying just two move controlers + eye toy at currently known prices would put u at $150 vs $100 and natal will let two more people play.

Many wont understand the price diffrence and sony can launch with more compelling software.
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Im not sure move and natal will be competing so directly at this level. People will likely gravitate to the experience they prefer out of the two, this is were the direct competition will be as long as the price difference isnt too significant. The price will of course effect the success of each device but more independent from the competition, imo the price will be weighed more against the experience you are being offered, rather than the price of another device.
 
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