Nvidia DLSS 1 and 2 antialiasing discussion *spawn*
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For scene 1:
Your image examples are dead on and would have guessed the third image is DLSS Quality. The text on the sheet of paper inside the folder on the desk is more legible than the other images.
Also the round metal objects (fans) on the back wall, the edge detail seems to be more defined.
For scene 1:
Your image examples are dead on and would have guessed the third image is DLSS Quality. The text on the sheet of paper inside the folder on the desk is more legible than the other images.
Also the round metal objects (fans) on the back wall, the edge detail seems to be more defined.
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Blind test for DLSS... Feel free to tell me which is DLSS, which is native. The third one, you can guess what it is. These are not mine since I don't have a DLSS capable card... In case anyone knows where I got it from, I also scrambled them, to make sure it is different from its original source.
A:
B:
C:
A. DLSS Quality
B. Native
C. Native TAA
Images A has no jaggies around florescent lights, B with most and C with still some but looks like TAA is working.
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Deliver Us the Moon, (my own shots)
2700X @PBO, 4*8GB 3066MHz CL12,
RTX 2060 @2025-2040/8000MHz
2560*1080 no AA
2560*1080 TAA High
2560*1080 DLSS Quality
2560*1080 no AA
2560*1080 TAA High
2560*1080 DLSS Quality
Thank you!
In Scene 1 DLSS wins for me as it's doing a better job on fine texture detail and on fine geometry (e.g. the lamp).
In Scene 2 TAA wins as DLSS has some weird artifacts. (e.g. the shadow of the yellow pole under the WSA sign on the wall is all effed up).
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Are those artifacts just above the lettering on the WSA wall sign, or is that sunlight streaming through the gaps (grating) on the "WbIFY" sign? It's totally missing from the TAA High image, though appears in the No TAA and DLSS images.
Edit: Might be related to position of sun when images were taken.
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Man from Atlantis
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Deliver Us the Moon, (my own shots)
2700X @PBO, 4*8GB 3066MHz CL12,
RTX 2060 @2025-2040/8000MHz
2560*1080 no AA
2560*1080 TAA High
2560*1080 DLSS Quality
2560*1080 no AA
2560*1080 TAA High
2560*1080 DLSS Quality
5120*2160
no AA
TAA High
DLSS Quality
TAA High
DLSS Quality
5120*2160
no AA
TAA High
DLSS Quality
TAA High
DLSS Quality
NightAntilli
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This is correct.
So native is clearly trash and DLSS and TAA have trade offs depending on your distaste for jaggies or softness. No objective winner.
Yeah you’re right. The weird shadowing is there on the native shot so it seems TAA is just blurring them away. In that case I would give the win to DLSS in scene 2.
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This was what I'd assumed. DLSS seems to lose a tiny bit of detail in some areas (look at the landscape outside the window) but at the same time cleans up some jaggies that native+TAA doesn't deal with.
Until you look at the fps counter
Man from Atlantis
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some comparisons of scene 2 enlarged by 100%
Until you look at the fps counter
In all the heat of the discussions going we forget what DLSS is all about
That dlss is competing with native images and sometimes even besting it says enough. Anyway, its there to improve performance to begin with.Not to mention the jaggies on the comparison images. Jagged edges would probably look pretty horrible in motion.
neckthrough
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And that's why I keep insisting (ad nauseum) that DLSS comparisons should be performed an iso-performance setup. The non-DLSS options will have to make some serious quality cutbacks to make up for the performance deficit.In all the heat of the discussions going we forget what DLSS is all about
Blame the current review scene. Nearly everyone just benches at ultra settings and calls it a day. There is little discussion about trade offs of different quality settings. I really only see that from HWUB and DF.
Back in the day [H]ardOCP really focused on best playable settings. Those days are long gone but it would be really interesting to see that methodology applied in a world where DLSS exists.
I also think it's kind of weird that gamers don't consider frame rate as a factor for image quality. They see a clear distinction between image quality and performance, where frame rate is performance. It's not really true at all. Temporal resolution and MPRT are real things and they're image quality problems.
arandomguy
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An issue is that the advantages of temporal related gains are basically impossible to really convey or compare unless you effectively physically have the audience essentially "on site" so to speak. Since most (really almost all) discussion/content is purely online based this effectively just defaults to static comparisons as the path of least resistance.
That's reason for me to rely on reviewers who actually played the games. And now that I have 3070 I can make decisions for myself by figuring out what I like. People who just make decisions based on zoomed in stills are not very reliable source especially as often the zoomed in stills are from problematic areas and don't necessarily match 99% of the gaming experience.
