NPD October 2008
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[B]Per Week, Sep (5 week) -> Oct (4 week) (% change)[/B]
[B]Nintendo Wii[/B] 137.4K -> 200.75K (+46.1%)
[B]Xbox 360[/B] 69.44K -> 92.75K (+33.5%)
[B]Nintendo DS[/B] 107.36K -> 122.75K (+14.3%)
[B]PlayStation 3[/B] 46.48K -> 47.5k (+2.1%)
[B]PlayStation Portable[/B] 47.62K -> 48.25K (+1.3%)
[B]PlayStation 2[/B] 34.7K -> 34.0K (-2.0%)
[B]LTD[/B]
Wii 13,350,000 (43.6%, +0.8%)
360 11,613,200 (37.9%, -0.5%)
PS3 5,684,400 (18.5%, -0.3%)
[B]YTD[/B]
Wii 5,981,000 (55.0%, +0.6%)
360 2,459,200 (22.6%, +0.7%)
PS3 2,441,400 (22.4%, -1.3%)While the "1 game per year" is an exaggeration, the figures in the report are for Nintendo-published/owned titles are they not? What of third party numbers? Is the Wii essentially only benefiting Nintendo?
I thought we have been through this a couple of times ?
http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2008/03/21/the-3rd-party-wii-games-that-sold-a-million
Wii has a huge base to tap on on a regular basis. Most people here only track games for the first week. Games that sell well on the HD consoles may not appeal to Wii audience, and vice versa too.
http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2008/03/21/the-3rd-party-wii-games-that-sold-a-million
Wii has a huge base to tap on on a regular basis. Most people here only track games for the first week. Games that sell well on the HD consoles may not appeal to Wii audience, and vice versa too.
Whoops, and I actually looked that up.
How much is most? 75% first day, 90% first week, 99% first month? We're talking about comparing titles titles with 2 weeks of sales to titles with half that. I still don't think they're directly comparable, unless we had real information on how anything past the first week is insignificant.
Does anyone have real numbers? I know the talk is that hardly any games on HD consoles have legs, but do we have anything to back this up besides gut feeling? I'm being devil's advocate here, but remember, we're talking about 5 days as 'ample' reporting time.
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Not quite, as patsu points out, but third parties have been unable to market 'upscale' games to the Wii market, for the most part, in all regions. There's a chicken and egg scenario, though, as Nintendo supporters will claim that the reason games don't sell well is because they lack budget/advertising, but at the same time 3rd parties haven't been convinced that the market is actually there for them to spend that budget on.
As for sales, though, we only see top 10, and the cutoff is fairly high. Popular reasoning is that Wii games also have legs: if Carnival Games sells only 80k a month, but it does so every month for the next year, that's a million copies sold. And we wouldn't know a thing about that until 2K's profits call.
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If that link Patsu posted is up to date, I must say it's not very convincing imo. Wii has a monster lead in LTD and basically only 6 3rd party games have reached one million, some of them just barely. I don't know how many million sellers X360 has with only about half the LTD, but many more is a safe bet.
Of course if there aren't quality 3rd party games, then why would anybody bought them, I just think it's hard to market a 3rd party game against Nintendo's own titles, which are the reason everybody buys the Wii in the first place.
Of course if there aren't quality 3rd party games, then why would anybody bought them, I just think it's hard to market a 3rd party game against Nintendo's own titles, which are the reason everybody buys the Wii in the first place.
The problem's a bit deeper than that, even, since some of the games that were quality games didn't sell that well, and quite a few that were very poor did. Carnival Games and Sonic and Mario at the Olympics are two poor-quality games that did quite well.
EA's actually been putting effort into making games for the Wii, and for the most part they haven't really had great success. Boom Blox did well, but it still hasn't broken 1 mil. They even created a new brand, 'All Play' for their yearly sports franchises and that hasn't caught on (and no, I don't believe it's because Ronaldinho/Favre are laughing on the cover).
MS PR says 2:1 but where are those sales? The 360 sells a bit more but I cant see that difference
I am curious to see what are the most selling games on the Wii, if people are actually playing them and what kind of demographics buy games for it (an accurate market research).
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X360 371k
PS3 190k
Quite close to that 2:1.
I don't know why I didn't bother to check it myself...
Well I wonder has the situation changed significantly during these 8 months?
The October NPDs?
2:1 makes sense, not a big surprise. It would have been crazy if that hadn't happend, with the recent price-cuts. Even then though it's similar figures to last year, isn't it? In that respect, the PS3 numbers are a more clear indication, I have a feeling they should have gone up more than they have, and are really suffering from the price and competition of Wii and 360.
2:1 makes sense, not a big surprise. It would have been crazy if that hadn't happend, with the recent price-cuts. Even then though it's similar figures to last year, isn't it? In that respect, the PS3 numbers are a more clear indication, I have a feeling they should have gone up more than they have, and are really suffering from the price and competition of Wii and 360.
I don't know why I didn't bother to check it myself...
Not really. I believe Lego Indy Wii was the best-selling version. Tiger Woods also sold better on Wii. Also in the last 8 months we had Boom Blox, which I've seen listed as 800k LTD. Also, 8 months wasn't nearly enough time for No More Heroes to come close to 1mil (though it did well enough to warrant a sequel).
Yea lets see 1 is a launch title thta droped in price quickly . 1 is a budget game leaving another 5 there. The wii has what 10m more consoles than the xbox 360 now ?
Look at this list http://www.gamersyde.com/forum_8_24791_1_en.html Its older but it still shows you whats up. The 360 at the time had 31 titles that sold in the millions. The wii had 16. 11 of which were nintendo games. Also the wii has been selling about 500k a month. Each of those 500k people are buing something with thier new game , be it wii sports or something else . That means every two months nintendo should be adding another million seller some where . But they aren't .
Right and is wii play in that ? I wonder how ms's and sony's attach rates would be if they add a free game to their controllers and used them for attach rates.
That list is already outdated. 10m more consoles now means potentially more sales.
Where is the source of these data ?
Do you have the updated Wii million seller list ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Wii
Though it hasn't been updated with recent numbers (Fallout, Fable 2, Gears2, etc) what they have is sourced.
So we have 24 million sellers as of the 30th of sept ? Of those we have wii sports which is packed in. We have wii play which is $10 and we have lik's cross bow which is packed in with a controller (dunno how much it is , think its $30) Of the remainder 10 are Nintendo games. Two are at 1m shipped. SO there are 11 third party million sellers 9 if you don't count those that are shipped not sold amounts on there
The site says 31 million sellers on the 360. Of those 4 are actual MS games , 4 are published by ms but are third party titles (gears of war for example) That leaves 23 million sellers by third parties.
wiki indicates that there are 22m 360s sold as of sept 30th and 34.5m wii's in the same time period . Nintendo has a 12m unit advantage as is far lacking in terms of million sellers. Whats worse when looking at it from a third party perspective the wii's installed base means very little as your getting squeezed by nintendos games. Wii play may be a monster for nintendo but many people who buy that may say well there is the game i'm going to buy right now in stead of "3rd party" game for how ever long untill they buy a new game.
This is exactly why the wii is not getting third party support. The 360 will continue to sell extremely well and move software extremely well even with a smaller user base. With nintendo not only do you have to worry about the few first party games released each year but it seems that some of their games have year long legs . With MS you may have to worry about a halo 3 or pgr and they make a big splash and take away from 3rd party sales also , however you a) have the core gamers that will move onto the next game quickly and b) they just make a splash and then a month or two later are done selling and there is room for another title .
I think it's getting to be like the movies. Unless you're a blockbuster title with a huge opening week, you usually don't have much in the way of legs. Of course, there will always be exceptions.
Have you actually read anything about this game? Have you seen any videos of it?
The only risk that KZ2 faces, is that of people missing it. Just like it happened with Shadow of the Colossus on the PS2.
KZ2 promisses to be the best FPS game on any console and the best looking game ever. And for what I've read and seen of it, it is bound to deliver exactly that.
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