Yeah exactly, there are many reasons why Nintendo are far better off doing what they're doing rather then going third party and they should be obvious to everyone here. Just look at the profit they've made over the last 7 years. They dwarf the profits of EA (the biggest games publisher in the world) and even beat out Sony (the number on console maker in the world). Yet some people will tell you, with a straight face, that Nintendo need to go third party... Those people need to ask themselves, if EA sell more games then Nintendo then why do Nintendo make far more money then EA?
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Yeah exactly, there are many reasons why Nintendo are far better off doing what they're doing rather then going third party and they should be obvious to everyone here. Just look at the profit they've made over the last 7 years. They dwarf the profits of EA (the biggest games publisher in the world) and even beat out Sony (the number on console maker in the world). Yet some people will tell you, with a straight face, that Nintendo need to go third party... Those people need to ask themselves, if EA sell more games then Nintendo then why do Nintendo make far more money then EA?
DemoCoder said:
I found the 512MB of flash built-in pretty interesting actually. It kinda makes me think what they'll use it for. They also said something about an internal attachment for movie playback or something. I guess the reasoning is maybe they wanted to peak peoples' interest instead of immediately writing it off.
What suprises me is all the people over the past week saying how they had revoloution high up on thier console list, meanwhile they had zero clue about it's features or games. Meh. That conference didn't convince me that nintendo had a powerful system in development or that they were serious about going head to head with MS and Sony.
Infact, I'm convinced the system specs for nintendo's system will come in under the xbox 360/PS3 just due to the size.
Infact, I'm convinced the system specs for nintendo's system will come in under the xbox 360/PS3 just due to the size.
Phil said:
As a hardcore gamer and an early adopter I AGREE.
But I have learned to look at things from Nintendos perspective. They have a very healthy bottomline--better than anyone else. They will move to the next gen when they are ready.
They are not losing money like MS.
They are not doing damage control against the Xbox 360 like Sony is (and it is damage control because they really have neutered their 2005 PS sales a bit ontop of what Xbox 360 was going to do).
Nintendo has 18mo. Next E3 they will be in MS position--hype the new format. Right now they want to push their handheld market, which for them is SMART. I think Nintendogs will really be a game that opens up the DS to more gamers and thus more sales.
This is not to say Revolution will impress. I still have doubts. Anyone here knows that a.) I enjoy Nintendo games a lot but b.) know I am no longer their market focus. MS and Sony are aiming at me.
So yeah, I am dissappointed too... but only because I have bad feelings about their 3rd party support and their ability to deliver something revolutionary. I think it will be on par.
Although I do take them NOT showing a controller as a plus... I think they have a distinct advantage to really do something much better than the evolutionary Xbox 360 controller (I like it) and the hideous PS3 controller.
Qroach said:
Like how the GCN ended up being cheaper and smaller than both PS2 and Xbox?
Anyway it's kinda fun to speculate, but I kinda have a feeling PS3's controller is not final. It's just an intentional poorly looking controller released until SONY knows what the Revolution controller will be. By doing this they have an excuse to go back and change the controller.
Just an idea...
Small Rev means 5 years after launch it MAY be small enough to be turned into a handheld
I have had a feeling that Nintendo may be aiming their home console units as a pre-platform for their handhelds. This would really boost their handheld game market and dev tools, decrease R&D cost and help developers out. It would also give them a fast track on keeping the handhelds up to date.
The small GCN and GB2 rumors + the small Rev make me think this may be true.
In that regards, IF it is true, I think Nintendo would be smart (kind of like MS leveraging the PC). Even if they are 3rd place in the home, they would have a great revenue sharing system to minimize costs and maximize a games sales over a long period of time. Sounds like a good idea to me...
What i'm thinking is this
The ns5 will be a
enhanced gekko chip (mabye dual core at 2.5 ghz ) which should be pretty cheap
an enhanced flipper gpu with higher clock speeds and perhaps more pipelines .
512 megs of ram in some combination
Sound chip + I/O
Then you get the portable
Single gekko chip at reduced clock speeds mabye 1.5 or so to stay cool in the portable .
enhanced flipper gpu with reduced clock speeds and perhaps less pipe lines . To stay cool and to keep battery life down. The portable will be rendering at a much lower res than the home system .
128 megs of ram
sound chip + I/O
This will provide easy ports with around the same graphics of the home system , i twill also provide an easy portable to port gamecube games too also .
If they price the ns5 cheaply at 200$ and put out the poratable at 200$ they might be able to sell u both for 400$ and it will be a leg up on the other consoles
Joe DeFuria
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I can certainly appreciate what Nintendo is doing.
For me, I will buy only one "power console" -- XBox 360 or PS3....not both. There will just be way too much overlap between the two to justify both IMO. I think many people feel the same way.
I will however, consider a Revolution in addition to the "power console"...especially now that we know you'll be able to play the entire history of pre GC nintendo titles via download. (With GC titles being handled directly.)
For me, I will buy only one "power console" -- XBox 360 or PS3....not both. There will just be way too much overlap between the two to justify both IMO. I think many people feel the same way.
I will however, consider a Revolution in addition to the "power console"...especially now that we know you'll be able to play the entire history of pre GC nintendo titles via download. (With GC titles being handled directly.)
Agreed.
Anyway Nintendo has shown they're very capable of of great hardware.
The question is will they put a Dual, Tri, or Quad Gekko core into Revolution? Will they add more pipelines onto Flipper and increase the clock? All of this is easily achievable, but again will they want to go this route or will they go with a completely new architecture? Maybe they've found a way to enhance the TEV unit?
I think Rev actually sounds the best from a gaming perspective, without even knowing the specs. Having 20+ years of great games available is very cool. If you can play the N64 games in high res with better filtering that will be VERY nice. VGA output is cool, especially for me right now as I don't have a real TV and have to use Svideo into a video capture card which hurts quality.
Nintendo's show was more about games instead of hardware like MS and Sony's shows were. Some of the funnest games even to this day ran on old hardware. I'm expecting Nintendo to end up with a comparable machine to the others, but probably a bit lower spec(which is fine). Just remember, for the past 2 generations the machine that came out on top has been the weakest machine hardware wise.
Nintendo's show was more about games instead of hardware like MS and Sony's shows were. Some of the funnest games even to this day ran on old hardware. I'm expecting Nintendo to end up with a comparable machine to the others, but probably a bit lower spec(which is fine). Just remember, for the past 2 generations the machine that came out on top has been the weakest machine hardware wise.
Johnny Awesome
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Nintendo is retreating further into their niche of hardcore Nintendo fans and younger gamers. There's nothing wrong with that. They can probably continue to sell 25 million units each generation by doing that. My issue is with the fact that they claim this retreat is a "revolution" of some sort. It's nonsense.
The revolution is all about the controller and that wasn't shown for obvious reasons. Of course when they eventually show it, people can decide for themselves if it's a revolution or not, just like people were free to decide whether the NDS was innovative or not. It's risky, but Nintendo has always done risky stuff when it comes to interfaces etc.
I don't own any of my old NES/SNES cartridges anymore, so this history aspect is nonsense, and I'm not about to go back and try to buy some old content.
I can however, play the entire history of every NES, SNES, Sega, Atari, and Arcade title on my modded X-Box 1 using MAME and other emulators, TODAY.
Most of my friends own both consoles. Once the prices drop below $200 it makes no sense not to. Consoles are about games, not HW. If just three killer "must have" platform exclusives exist on each console, it's a no brainer.
For example, I'd own a PS2 just to play GT4 and MGS, period.
I can however, play the entire history of every NES, SNES, Sega, Atari, and Arcade title on my modded X-Box 1 using MAME and other emulators, TODAY.
Most of my friends own both consoles. Once the prices drop below $200 it makes no sense not to. Consoles are about games, not HW. If just three killer "must have" platform exclusives exist on each console, it's a no brainer.
For example, I'd own a PS2 just to play GT4 and MGS, period.
DemoCoder said:
But Nintendo is offering a LEGAL/Legit way to do it. Technically even if you did own those games you couldn't play them on your Xbox because EVERY emulator out there is compiled using a stolen MS SDK(PC emulators are legal but that's different). Not to mention that every N64 emulator for Xbox sucks(I have a modded Xbox as well, and none of the emulators will run every game). Even PC N64 emus suck because they all use high level emulation and hacks.
The market for old games is bigger than you think. There are literally TONS of used game stores that sell old games for somewhat high costs. My brother for example bought a used Chrono Trigger SNES cart a year ago for $40 US.
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