No they won't if the experience is that much better.
I imagine they'll justify live gold the same way they did this round. No one knows if psn is going to remain free this time round either.
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No they won't if the experience is that much better.
I imagine they'll justify live gold the same way they did this round. No one knows if psn is going to remain free this time round either.
Sony is keeping PS+ warm, they just have to keep it for ps4. With netflix,HBO and local services on PSN vs subscription om Gold people will ask about that during the next round. Demands and expectations have changed.
PSN+ is certainly the best thing since sliced bread, I would much sooner get free stuff for my subscription than have voice chat, but there is no indication this is going to carry on.
Sony only stated PS3 online gaming will never cost anything, not a.n.other console in the future.
I pay for PSN+ to get the 2 'free' games a month, I wouldn't pay to play online as I rarely do it, in fact Burnout Paradise was probably the only game I've really enjoyed online play.
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Anyway, I wasn't sure if anyone had posted this? I didn't check all 7 threads.
Oh and i'm not sure if this is the right thread for it either, maybe the Orbis speculation thread is a better fit, but that's not as active as this one....see both these issues were never a problem when we just had the Predict thread...
But here it is anyway:
http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-devkits-roadmaptypes/
Oh and i'm not sure if this is the right thread for it either, maybe the Orbis speculation thread is a better fit, but that's not as active as this one....see both these issues were never a problem when we just had the Predict thread...
But here it is anyway:
http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-devkits-roadmaptypes/
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Is the core gamer going to be playing on consoles for a majority of this generation they way they were during the last? I'm wondering if PC graphics will eclipse these consoles much earlier in their lifecycle this time around than last. It took me 5 years to buy a gaming PC this time around when it was clear that the consoles couldn't keep up. I think it will be much sooner this time around (actually, i doubt i will be selling my gaming PC at all).
Taking this into consideration, maybe MS feels like a graphics powerhouse isn't as high a priority since these round of consoles wont hold the graphics crown against PCs for very long anyway. A vast majority of titles will be multi platform anyway, and people who insist on cutting edge will have gaming PC rigs regardless.
This all assuming, of course, that Durango is < in terms of power to begin with...
The Console Discussion Organization topic has been split off into this thread here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62933 
My PC is 1.5 years old soon (2600k and gtx580) and frankly I wouldn't be shocked at all if the new consoles were less powerful.
if you build a Haswell system with a new gen of GPU's this year, you'll be comfortably ahead of the consoles.
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Well, i take my seat for todays VGleaks Durango leak (more likely than Orbis related)... I hope we learn more about the GPU and the "special sauces"...
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It has pretty much always been like that. I don't know why people still get surprised by it. And I'm saying that as a console-guy myself.
If it's about Orbis, then some more leaked info is welcome taking into account we know next to nothing, except for a rather interesting article on Digital Foundry, which left me quite puzzled about what Sony is coming up knowing their natural tendency to build very customized hardware.
If the new info is related to Durango, it's welcome too of course. These words from bkillian are still echoing in my head:
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1693181&postcount=18183
I don't expect many secret ingredients, but I certainly expected something a bit better about Durango, if the info is correct it sounds like a good console, but nothing special for a console, which are about customization and efficiency and that's what makes consoles different and interesting, imho.
While the info seems real there are still a lot of rumours and speculation.
The numbers don't lie, and looking at the science behind them, the X720 could end up having less overall bandwidth than the Xbox 360.
Bah. This place is called Beyond3D for a reason, it deals with 3D, mostly. Durango's actual 3D performance is bound to be very, very meh from all we know. If it has some special sauce that accelerates skeletal modeling for kinect use or whatever, who gives a shit? Does it render 3D better because of that? No. Kinect = casual crap, mostly, thusly = uninteresting.
The family, especially the wife loves Kinect. One person's casual crap is another persons masterpiece. And meh is a relative term you have used without context.
Theres a difference between raw power and the real world product of a console vs a PC. My point was that in this generation, PC games will actually *look better* than console games earlier in the lifecycle than last time. The trend has historically been that the closed system aspect of a console allowed them to exceed PC experiences for quite awhile after their introduction, and that wont be the case this time around.
Maybe, we'll have to see what kind of performance and benefits that the consoles can get from the APU design. In both systems, it looks like the CPU will have very low latency access to a lot of compute from the GPU. IMO, that's not feasible on a PC due to the need of having to copy data back and forth between system and GPU memories over a slow PCI-E bus.
In scenarios, where the console CPU performs a GPGPU type computation and then needs to act up on the results, the current consoles could be a lot better then even top end PCs. It wouldn't surprise me if next gen PC ports had much higher CPU requirements versus GPU requirements.
Yes, I said that, and it is true, but don't get too excited. Just because your PC is not fast enough to do something in realtime does not mean that something is going to be awesome.
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Which is better - Orbis or Durango (consider XB360 was better/worse than PS3) *spawn
Here we go:
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-orbis-unveiled/
edit: meh
Mod: Duplicated for inevitable comparison
Here we go:
http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-orbis-unveiled/
edit: meh
Mod: Duplicated for inevitable comparison
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Especulation: "Hardware balanced at 14 CUs". Maybe the remaining 4 CUs are included for physics and GPGPU, in which case the core GPU would end up being similar to Durango ( 14 versus 12 CUs ).
18 texture units seems... wrong...
edit: 4 backends * 4 rops per back end = 32 rops, seems ok.
18 texture units seems... wrong...
edit: 4 backends * 4 rops per back end = 32 rops, seems ok.
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