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1)So MS hopes that people are stupid?
2)Sony also said similar things before the launch of the PS3 with the "It Only Does Everything".Result to save themselves were forced to spend for the first time in their history in a huge way on the first party.
Those who buy a console to $ 500 are hardcore certainly not housewives
If you're stupid enough to wave your whole arm when all you need is enough motion to make it recognize the gesture. But I don't doubt they'll continue to support a variety of inputs.
1)So MS hopes that people are stupid?
2)Sony also said similar things before the launch of the PS3 with the "It Only Does Everything".Result to save themselves were forced to spend for the first time in their history in a huge way on the first party.
Those who buy a console to $ 500 are hardcore certainly not housewives
PS3 was $600. were all the people who bought it stupid?
It's called marketing 101. That is part of a formula in how every competitor in a market positions their product.
firstly this HW disadvantage is being over stated comparing to price. raw numbers will not show on the screen to the degree that most of the consumers purchasing this over the next few years will notice. When running the same games it WILL be comparable directly to PS4. Also the value is based on much more than specs. It is based on a feeling of fulfillment and entertainment in general from a product and we don't even know what that experience is going to be yet. Add in the Kinect Skype, TV?, value driven media subscriptions and things that they have planned which we know nothing about yet and the decision purchase goes far beyond whether or not the RAM is GDDR5 or DDR3.
Again, just as a stand alone Office 2013 is not a good "value" compared to the Office 365 subscription, so too could this be positioned to help the subscription models (of which I suspect there will be several) feel like a great value
I submit that more machines will be sold at the lower subscription models than stand alone $499.
It sounds like MS is trying to compete not just in consoles but whatever the next big thing may be.
They don't want to miss out for instance if Apple does solve the TV thing. Though I doubt Kinect gestures are going to make people change their viewing habits. If Xbox brings a new business model, like a la carte channels so you only pay for HBO and ESPN, that's what's going to sell, not flapping your arms at the TV like a loon.
But they're right to want to aim for more than a games box.
They don't want to miss out for instance if Apple does solve the TV thing. Though I doubt Kinect gestures are going to make people change their viewing habits. If Xbox brings a new business model, like a la carte channels so you only pay for HBO and ESPN, that's what's going to sell, not flapping your arms at the TV like a loon.
But they're right to want to aim for more than a games box.
Of course, but physical controller, at least as in Xbox 360, is not a multitouch device.
But isn't that the whole point of MS's and Sony's endeavors. To provide low latency communication between the cpu and gpu while providing lower latency access to memory to the gpu (eSRAM for Durango, Onion+ for Orbis), with the intention of employing a finer grain level of parallelization. All in an effort to increase performance through efficiency.
Its obvious to me that Sony and MS thinks low latency equals big win because their designs don't seem much cheaper to manufacture. 400-500nm die size and 8 GBs of RAM for Durango, all to service a bunch multimedia functions, seems like overkill especially since other small form factor devices provide the some of the same utility with much less hardware and main memory while using off the shelf components.
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I presume your Windows 8 app will have to have gamepad support in order to appear on the app store (when viewed on Durango). Still in the dark on this, but presumably they will let us all know after the public console reveal. Either way gamepad support will be trivial to add.
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Those who buy a console to $ 500 are hardcore certainly not housewives
Just fyi this is very dated thinking. Women more and more are the breadwinners, and historically they have controlled purchase decisions in the household. To think that a woman wouldn't spend $500 on something is simply wrong. If it appeals to her then yes she will spend money on it. I figured it was obvious by now to everyone that women were a key target going forwards. Or to be more blunt, any console maker that doesn't target women far more is a fool.
I agree. I think the main reason why both MS and Sony are broadening their feature set is to make the retail price more palpable to consumers. I think its easier to convince your wife of your console purchase when you can explain the utility offered outside of just gaming.
$500 dollar tabs and phones are more readily purchased because they employ the same approach even though games dominate their sale charts.
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I'm surprised if the die size is over 400mm2 in either of them, let alone 500mm2. Might take a while to get that information.
Indeed I would expect 400mm^2 to be the max size for both systems. Anyway we will have to wait till launch to find out.
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Well we got pictures of the Wii U dies over a month before the launch so maybe someone at Sony or MS want's to show off their chips prior to launch as well
I'm guessing 300-350mm2 for the dies.
I was not talking of women in absolute terms it is obvious that even among them there are hardcore
I was referring to housewives who bought the Wii for example in this gen but do not ever spend $ 500 for a console.If MS thinks to sell the console of the leak for $ 500 to that type of user is making a mistake.A $ 500 console can only sell to the hardcore (category that includes both men and women) and trust me that these are very little interested in the kinect 2 or some TV service.
Trinity with its 4 cpus and 384 streaming processors derivative runs 246mm at 32nm. So I have a hard time seeing how a simple step down to 28 nm allows AMD to double up on the cores, double up on the ALUs, widen the memory interface and add 32mb of SRAM with minimal affect on the amount of silicon a Durango apu would eat up.
I don't know why but AMD design on SOI (45 or 32 nm) lithography have pretty terrible transistor density, for example in llano (32nm SOI) the GPU part + IO is the same size or slightly bigger than a redwood card on 40nm.
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In pure math terms 28nm is quite a big reduction. (28*28) / (32*32) = 0.765, 0.765 x 246 = 188mm2.
Also 4 Piledriver cores in Trinity are already bigger than 8 Jaguar cores and I expect the GPU portion will have much better density than what Trinity has. Anyway I'm only guessing.
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I don't understand how MS plan on charging $500 for Durango, that's a bit much given the specs. 
I mean PS4 is definitely not going to be $599 again, so will probably also be around $500 or less.
Why would people get Durango when they can get the more powerful PS4 which works offline and plays used games etc.
I really thought they'd attempt to undercut Sony on price given their much lower BoM, but it does seem that bkilian's 'MBA's with $ signs in their eyes' (who are running the Xbox division now) are only interested in one thing - profit.
I mean PS4 is definitely not going to be $599 again, so will probably also be around $500 or less.
Why would people get Durango when they can get the more powerful PS4 which works offline and plays used games etc.
I really thought they'd attempt to undercut Sony on price given their much lower BoM, but it does seem that bkilian's 'MBA's with $ signs in their eyes' (who are running the Xbox division now) are only interested in one thing - profit.
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Yup, it will be able to run Win8 apps just like any other Win 8/RT device.
Maybe they'll also have a special section just for Durango apps.
however I am interested to see how refined Kinect2 will be. hopefully it's ability to identify digits allows you to only wave fingers as if swiping a tablet
It's not that much better, can recognise grasping movements between the fingers and thumb, but not individual fingers (from the vgleaks and kotaku Kinect 2 info).
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