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Windows 8 app store is what I expect, and curious if they allow keyboard and mouse..
Billy Idol
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You get really a good gaming PC for 500 euros? A complete set with OS and everything? Maybe I am wrong, but I just looked at the benchmarks of this 7790 you quoted and it is about half the performance of my 670 for BF3...and I would consider my PC as a medium end PC.
Is the 7790 really supposed to be better than the NexTbOx GPU?
Maybe I just woke up from happy land? Is reality really such that the next gen consoles won't be faster than my current gaming PC?
DuckThor Evil
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Your GPU (GTX 670) will probably run in to memory issues sooner or later, but other than that it has the next gen consoles easily covered. 7790 has about 45% more processing power than the rumoured Durango GPU. PS4's GPU is slightly more powerful than the 7790. Durango might have more usable bandwith than a 7790, but it's memory configuration is quite different, so comparisons are a bit difficult.
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At current exchange + VAT the Xbox should cost no more than €450-460...and it would be still overpriced given the specs.
I am skeptical about the $500: ti's too much specs-wise and it's surely not good value for money.
If that price is true then MS is either incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant.
I am skeptical about the $500: ti's too much specs-wise and it's surely not good value for money.
If that price is true then MS is either incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant.
No, but you can get a PC of comparable hardware to Durango. 7790 is 14 CUs
Plus PCs have "offline modes", some games are DRM free and most don't have killswitches, games are cheaper than on console, and multiplayer and Netflicks, Youtube et al aren't behind a paywall.
Plus it has backwards compatibility.
And faster hard drives (some of them maaaaaaassively faster).
And dedicated servers.
And you don't get adverts for Lynx/Axe punted down your throat whenever you switch the damn thing on.
Nextbox is looking like a pretty awful value proposition.
"Choo chooo! Hey everyone, I'm waving at you from the h8 train! Tickets are free! Allll aboooooard!!"
Plus it has backwards compatibility.
And faster hard drives (some of them maaaaaaassively faster).
And dedicated servers.
And you don't get adverts for Lynx/Axe punted down your throat whenever you switch the damn thing on.
Nextbox is looking like a pretty awful value proposition.
"Choo chooo! Hey everyone, I'm waving at you from the h8 train! Tickets are free! Allll aboooooard!!"
I think the main selling point for Durango will be the living room experience. Walk in, it sees you and switches on the TV, says hello, guesses the TV channel you want to watch and switches to it while you take a video call in a PIP window. That's the sort of thing that needs a closed box to achieve as a consumer experience even if a PC could be set up with those functions. I don't think the next XBox is really targeting the gamer market going by the rumours.
500 euro would be a robbery even the 360 which was a great machine at the hardware level has never been sold at that price.
The maximum price for the next xbox described in leak is 299 euro.500 euro for a weak GPU of 1.2 Tflops and 8 gb DDR3 MS is crazy??
Whats the point in the amount of effort given by Sony and MS in terms of apus, coherent and shared memory and big gpu caches. If it all can be easily facillitated by using the same specs in a traditional PC setup.
Comparable hardware doesnt equal comparable performance. All the effort spent trying to wring every bit of performance out of durango and orbis wont easily translate to a discrete 7790 paired with comparable discrete cpu. If it does, Sony and MS has wasted their time and money and should of went with basic off the shelf components. And all this talk about heterogeneous core design is fluff marketing.
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Would you honestly consider your GTX 670 powered PC to be a medium end PC? Isn't this a £300-£400 card alone? Which could be the cost of the 720 or PS4 alone?
I think you're bang on with that assessment. It's going to be a slick, integrated experience that broadly targets all consumers in the "connected" world. And I think MS's view is that they can be profitable at every level - hardware, accessing the hardware, accessing services (even third party) through the hardware, software, everything.
Unfortunately (for some of us) this means making a system with an inoffensive BOM and prioritising this integrated bundle of revenue streams well ahead of what has traditional been "core gaming". Sony by comparison seem to be trying to straddle the two.
I don't know which is better as a business model to face the future, but I know that I don't much care for the new face Xbox. Fortunately I don't have to deal with this new reality just yet because PC (and hopefully PS4).
A SoC will be a lot cheaper than the kind of PC you're talking about for a start.
Plus "PC gamers" haven't been buying CPUs as performant as the 8 x Jaguar setup for years. You'd need to be getting a big win from low latency CPU<->GPU to see an 8 core Jaguar match an i2500k or 8 core Piledriver matched with a 7790.
If something really couldn't manage with PCI-E latency just run it on the "several times more powerful" CPU. We might finally see the children of Bulldozer perform in games like they do in truly multuithreaded apps.
If the price of $499 is true. The whole point is only to drive people to cheaper subscription models which include services and to be priced compared to PS4 so as not to appear weaker on the shelf and the perception of value.
Also Shifty is right imo in that it is selling an experience. I think the services will be comprehensive and impressive when we hear them all.
Michael Pachter gave an interview at GDC where he stated Sony is 70-80%-30-20% games to media centric while MS is 50-50%. he also speculated that old school game consoles will not survive into the future and comprehensive media-game boxes would likely take over.
Also Shifty is right imo in that it is selling an experience. I think the services will be comprehensive and impressive when we hear them all.
Michael Pachter gave an interview at GDC where he stated Sony is 70-80%-30-20% games to media centric while MS is 50-50%. he also speculated that old school game consoles will not survive into the future and comprehensive media-game boxes would likely take over.
Keyboard is supported on Xbox 360, mouse is not needed for "metro" apps if Kinect is included (I guess they will not allow desktop applications).
loekf
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Kinect ? Are u kidding ? You would get RSI in the shoulders from waving at the screen to scroll vertically in a Windows 8-like start menu. I would assume they keep the physical controller ;-)
The only thing that comes to my mind when I read about a 500$ possible price tag for Durango, 8 GB of GDDR5 for the ps4 (and quiet possibly a high price too), is that people at Nintendo should feel ashamed...
Pachter is right "Hardware makes no sense to Nintendo" (I pass on haters of the guy, I usually like his analysis and line of thinking), they had an amazing opportunity to offer a system powerful and cheap that could have been competitive (/run the same games).
Now both MSFT and Sony should be happy as they both went with something pretty expensive but they have no real competition thanks to Nintendo new system anemic performances and its weak overall specs.
500$ seems pretty high to me, at this price they should be in the grey. EDIT I've read that memory prices are not going down as expected, I don't know how HDD prices have evolved since the natural disaster /flood in Thailand last time I read about it prices were still higher than before the flood (though it's been a while now).
Pachter is right "Hardware makes no sense to Nintendo" (I pass on haters of the guy, I usually like his analysis and line of thinking), they had an amazing opportunity to offer a system powerful and cheap that could have been competitive (/run the same games).
Now both MSFT and Sony should be happy as they both went with something pretty expensive but they have no real competition thanks to Nintendo new system anemic performances and its weak overall specs.
500$ seems pretty high to me, at this price they should be in the grey. EDIT I've read that memory prices are not going down as expected, I don't know how HDD prices have evolved since the natural disaster /flood in Thailand last time I read about it prices were still higher than before the flood (though it's been a while now).
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truehowever I am interested to see how refined Kinect2 will be. hopefully it's ability to identify digits allows you to only wave fingers as if swiping a tablet
I would think that for navigation I could find voice command more convenient than gestures, I would also think that both could get old pretty fast...
however I am interested to see how refined Kinect2 will be. hopefully it's ability to identify digits allows you to only wave fingers as if swiping a tablet
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