News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

[Tap In]

Um, what narrative there is about the next xbox is being driven by forums and gaming websites. Those attitudes may be dismissed as an "embarrassment" on here but the narrative is not exactly positive. Face it, between the rumored price and specs, always-on-required-to-play following hard on the heels of the EA SimCity disaster, rumors about no-second-hand-games, then a creative director tells people to get over it (right or wrong that got peoples attention)-> that narrative is negative. Maybe right now its just a few hardcore people that are impatient and you can dismiss them. It is all fun and games until it ends up on the front page of the New York Times, Oprah, CNN and if that happens, and MS will have little to no warning if it does, then you are up a creek. How much is that first impression worth? How much of that first impression is getting defined right now for a lot of people with Facebook accounts and family members that will come ask their "gamer" family member what console to buy?

there is nothing wrong with the rumored specs, they will play games that look nearly indistinguishable to 75% of people who ever play games... The always online is not unacceptable to most people as they are used to it and consider it a feature... the price? $499 is $100 less than what PS3 launched at and with a subscription model it will look even cheaper... there are services that we don't even know about yet


Again... this is being driven (mostly) IMO be people who want to see big bad MS fall on their face and can't wait to tell everyone they know why they should not buy one even though most people don't care about what's being argued...it is a minority and blown out of proportion because there is nothing to talk about.

When all is said an done and the news reports the PR of the "amazing new machine" MS reveals in May, we will look back at this as the nonsense it is.

 

[Silenti]

there is nothing wrong with the rumored specs, they will play games that look nearly indistinguishable to 75% of people who ever play games... The always online is not unacceptable to most people as they are used to it and consider it a feature... the price? $499 is $100 less than what PS3 launched at and with a subscription model it will look even cheaper... there are services that we don't even know about yet


Again... this is being driven (mostly) IMO be people who want to see big bad MS fall on their face...it is a minority and blown out of proportion because there is nothing to talk about.

When all is said an done and the news reports the PR of the "amazing new machine" MS reveals in May, we will look back at this as the nonsense it is.

Was always-online a "feature" for SimCity? How did that work out? I get what you are saying, I'm simply stating that at some point, with little or no warning, MS could completely lose control of the narrative and it will be all negative and spread on mass media. As of this moment, yeah it's minor comments under story headlines and in forums like this one, but it does not mean it will stay that way. How much longer it stays that way is not predictable. All that has to happen it to attract the wrong kind of attention, just like a now fired creative director, that gets picked up by the mass media, the story has legs and the news people (won't call them journalists) go digging for more, all they find is tons of negative opinions and a "we do not comment on rumors and speculation" from MS, it hits facebook and twitter and all of a sudden you are in very bad shape in a matter of hours. That kind of bad press can have a lingering effect. Put short, you don't want to have to fight a rear-guard, defensive, PR war because you let the negative rumors run for too long and it bit you.

 

[Jwm]

Hmm $499, early adopters strategy that could flop. I look forward to both though, and developing something for both depending on the fine print.

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[Tap In]

Was always-online a "feature" for SimCity? How did that work out? I get what you are saying, I'm simply stating that at some point, with little or no warning, MS could completely lose control of the narrative

agreed that twitter knucklehead (fired I believe?) didn't help but I don't think it requires them to change their plan to reveal with 100% preparedness hardware, software, services etc. in May

Again I really think they want the AO to sink in a bit first and let people argue about it until their minds accept it (those who are not going to fight to the death over it LOL)

 

[AzBat]

Hey man.

Was referring to the supposition of a corporate policy shift

Okie dokie! Nevermind me then! Truce? LOL

Tommy McClain

 

[bbot]

I cannot believe Microsoft will charge $500 for a console with specs inferior to those of ps4. I thought MS will use inferior components to save money.(So they can charge $99 for a inexpensive set-top device aimed at the casual market).If MS is going to charge a premium price for Durango, I demand that that they use premium components, like a 4TF+ gpu.

 

[dobwal]

Um, what narrative there is about the next xbox is being driven by forums and gaming websites. Those attitudes may be dismissed as an "embarrassment" on here but the narrative is not exactly positive. Face it, between the rumored price and specs, always-on-required-to-play following hard on the heels of the EA SimCity disaster, rumors about no-second-hand-games, then a creative director tells people to get over it (right or wrong that got peoples attention)-> that narrative is negative. Maybe right now its just a few hardcore people that are impatient and you can dismiss them. It is all fun and games until it ends up on the front page of the New York Times, Oprah, CNN and if that happens, and MS will have little to no warning if it does, then you are up a creek. How much is that first impression worth? How much of that first impression is getting defined right now for a lot of people with Facebook accounts and family members that will come ask their "gamer" family member what console to buy?

The narrative is negative but the revealing of Durango by MS will have the same effect whether it's done tomorrow or in late May.

I think MS is minimizing the time that Sony will have to easily respond and offer features it finds wothwhile especially considering the similarities between hardware. Sony seems more nimble in that regard.

A bunch of internet noise isn't time to panic, but it is definitely a time to listen because the noise is being generated mostly by hardcore users who tend to buy a lot of games.

 

[RobertR1]

I cannot believe Microsoft will charge $500 for a console with specs inferior to those of ps4. I thought MS will use inferior components to save money.(So they can charge $99 for a inexpensive set-top device aimed at the casual market).If MS is going to charge a premium price for Durango, I demand that that they use premium components, like a 4TF+ gpu.

I sincerely hope that MS does charge $500 for a much inferior console and dominate the market.

That'll provide me infinitely more entertainment than any number of games I can think of.

 

[Acert93]

I sincerely hope that MS does charge $500 for a much inferior console and dominate the market.

That'll provide me infinitely more entertainment than any number of games I can think of.

That may be the only positive thing of such a price point but the meltdown would be priceless. Of course every other reason would suck.

 

[Tap In]

Okie dokie! Nevermind me then! Truce? LOL

Tommy McClain

:smile: thx. it's all speculation and analyzing for fun

 

[eastmen]

Was always-online a "feature" for SimCity? How did that work out? I get what you are saying, I'm simply stating that at some point, with little or no warning, MS could completely lose control of the narrative and it will be all negative and spread on mass media. As of this moment, yeah it's minor comments under story headlines and in forums like this one, but it does not mean it will stay that way. How much longer it stays that way is not predictable. All that has to happen it to attract the wrong kind of attention, just like a now fired creative director, that gets picked up by the mass media, the story has legs and the news people (won't call them journalists) go digging for more, all they find is tons of negative opinions and a "we do not comment on rumors and speculation" from MS, it hits facebook and twitter and all of a sudden you are in very bad shape in a matter of hours. That kind of bad press can have a lingering effect. Put short, you don't want to have to fight a rear-guard, defensive, PR war because you let the negative rumors run for too long and it bit you.

People look at the worse case scenario for Durango's always on. However no one talks about the successes of always on. I have no problem subscribing to always on services like Netflix , hulu . I have no problems using steam or using my android cell phone in which a lot of the games require a connection to play. I"ve also had over a decade and a half (damn i'm old ) of quite enjoyable mmorpg experiances .


So I don't go omg always on the sky is falling !!!!!! I'm actually going to wait and see what is actually announced.

 

[Scott_Arm]

I sincerely hope that MS does charge $500 for a much inferior console and dominate the market.

That'll provide me infinitely more entertainment than any number of games I can think of.

Ha ha ha, pretty much!

 

[3dilettante]

People look at the worse case scenario for Durango's always on. However no one talks about the successes of always on. I have no problem subscribing to always on services like Netflix , hulu . I have no problems using steam or using my android cell phone in which a lot of the games require a connection to play. I"ve also had over a decade and a half (damn i'm old ) of quite enjoyable mmorpg experiances .

There's a thread that discusses this in more detail. I would recommend using it to get a more accurate picture of what people are arguing about.
It's not a fair assessment to say that people are protesting the existence streaming services and MMOs.

 

[eastmen]

There's a thread that discusses this in more detail. I would recommend using it to get a more accurate picture of what people are arguing about.
It's not a fair assessment to say that people are protesting the existence streaming services and MMOs.

I've read it , it doesn't really change my reply at all since it still seems right on the money. But I will take the talk to there then

 

[-tkf-]

The biggest danish tabloid just ran with the twitter scandal, always on story. So now the general public knows that the 720 maybe will require to be online if you want to play.

Carry on

 

[Tap In]

The biggest danish tabloid just ran with the twitter scandal, always on story. So now the general public knows that the 720 maybe will require to be online if you want to play.

Carry on

that's what they want... if it's true, it doesn't matter... if it's not true, it doesn't matter.

and "scandal" LOL they have done nothing wrong nor immoral nor are they planning to

 

[AlphaWolf]

The biggest danish tabloid just ran with the twitter scandal, always on story. So now the general public knows that the 720 maybe will require to be online if you want to play.

Carry on

And that aliens are the father of kates baby.

 

[Billy Idol]

500€ is fine with me (I guess we Europeans get 1€=1$). Still way cheaper than my gaming PC! Not long ago I bought a freaking GPU for 400€...not sure why people are moaning? It is always amazing to me how cheap those consoles are! Also, different payment models are good for the customer imo, as there is a choice and everyone can choose what fits best.

 

[-tkf-]

that's what they want... if it's true, it doesn't matter... if it's not true, it doesn't matter.

and "scandal" LOL they have done nothing wrong nor immoral nor are they planning to

It was just to put this in perspective..

Again... this is being driven (mostly) IMO be people who want to see big bad MS fall on their face and can't wait to tell everyone they know why they should not buy one even though most people don't care about what's being argued...it is a minority and blown out of proportion because there is nothing to talk about.

When it's "frontpage" news it's not a minority, but i must admit the last pages of this thread does put a few things into perspective.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

500€ is fine with me (I guess we Europeans get 1€=1$). Still way cheaper than my gaming PC! Not long ago I bought a freaking GPU for 400€

€500 for the rumoured specs of Durango won't be great hardware for your money. You'll get better efficiency than €500 of PC hardware, but much less versatility. If i was looking at €500 between an XB720 and a new, much faster PC, the latter is going to have a lot more draw for me (also gets cheaper games and stuff, so running costs could likely be less). That's in contrast to every other generation when the consoles represented superb value for money for the hardware versus equivalent PC specs.

Edit: 7790 for <€150