News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

It's not a big enough change that I'd add the word "quite" in there.
It does mostly rule out the very bad range of yield rumors, and does reinforce the impression that the design is somewhere close to where it wants to be, or will be.

Unless yields were on the cusp of unmanufacturability, the change is nice but shouldn't have an impact that would wipe out profit margins. Even if there is a tiny yield impact, there are ways of compensating.

 

Then again, is a 6.6% increase in GPU clock worthwhile enough to justify any yield impacts, no matter how small?

I see it more as...

They have a thermal design target and a yield target they want to hit. Once they got the final silicon, they found out they could still hit those targets with the small incremental boost. With something like that it becomes more of a why not, versus a perceived need for 6.6% more GPU clock at the expense of X% worse yields.

Regards,
SB

 

That part is clearly just a rehash of whats already been known though.

 

If the yield impact is trivial, even small benefits can win out.
There is a side benefit of at least some positive buzz and a very modest bit of improvement while in a performance knife-fight with a competitor. A tweak to anything, from fan RPM or taking some slight cost savings now or in the future would take a minor issue to even lower levels of unimportance.

There's a constellation of factors and thresholds Microsoft and AMD may be weighing.
Not knowing the exact manufacturing arrangement, we don't know how much of the impact would affect Microsoft versus the APU supplier.

 

So is it just me or is Penello hinting on GAF at more "aces up the sleeve" as ekim put it. This is mostly surrounding a fair amount of 12GB discussion and this question

 

Rangers. Im going to go out on a limb and say 1.8/850 and 12 gigs is what we will end up with.

 

So with the GPU's clockspeed raised to 853mhz.....what does that raise the Flop output to now?

 

1.3

 

Cool....


And if you don't mind, I know it's been explained before, but how do you do the math for that?

 

This is where eastmen and my other source for the upclock rumour differ.
Eastmen thinks there'll be a CPU upclock as well, while my other source only has heard a GPU upclock being considered, however he doesn't have confirmation that they're not going to upclock the CPU - he just hasn't heard a CPU upclock being mentioned.

 

Yeah. Somebody on GAF posted that it's "just one or two" FPS in a 30 FPS game. My first instinct was to say even less, because it's just compute, but no an upclock effects the whole GPU, from the setup engine to the ROPs, at least if you're GPU limited it could indeed gain the full effect. Each frame in a 30 FPS game is 3.3%, so 6.6% is right about 2 frames (of course in a ideal scenario). Going from 28 to 30, or 26 to 28 FPS is definitely relevant imo.

 

shadersX2Xclock...


so in this case 768X2X853=1,310,208. 1.31 TF.

I have my doubts about CPU, because if they did why wouldn't Whitten have mentioned it? There's no good explanation.

 

Yeah, and there's that thing about Jaguar needing 66% more TDP to run at 2 Ghz.

So I'd assume even a 100 mhz CPU upclock would be a significant increase in TDP.

 

Thank you....Easy math....just the way I like it.

 

And what about the ram?

 

I think it is possible they might wait until Gamescom to try and put their announcement over the top like Sony did with the 8 GB GDDR5.

 

8 Jaguar cores at 1.6 GHz probably consumes ~20W. At 2 GHz that would jump to ~30W.

 

i think ms is going to announce many things that are going to surprise us at gamescon. so even though ms said theyre not reintroducing xbox, they kind of are with all the upgrades its been getting. its almost a compeltely different animal from its reveal. much more powerful and might even have much more ram.

 

With all the excitement over the confirmed GPU clock(IMHO only interesting to dispel rumors of downclock) I guess the bit on the podcast about no Xbox Guide got overlooked. That's cool.

Tommy McClain

 

You want to be that guy? Really?

53Mhz and now it is a completely different console?