News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

Thanks for the response.

In no particular order and for no particular reason:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-07/04/eu-judgement-implications

I have no idea what Steam will do or Apple etc. They will figure it out.

I am talking in terms of consumer rights and consumer expectations and a failure to understand at the very least the later on the part of MS at this point. This is essentially the context of my response. I thought I was making that clear enough in some of my wording but let me make the case explicitly.

It's up to MS/Publisher to deal with the risk/reward for the consumer. He/She enters into a transaction when buying a product with the hope of liking it. If they don't, with an app 1.99 down the drain. With a 60 dollar purchase they may need a bit more trust. Being able to sell, for a market value, what they bought gives them a chance on recouping losses on a transaction. That is the way it has been for decades and it's up to MS and Publishers to make the case that it is better that this is not the case with what they are selling.

BRING IT I SAY Let somebody make the case in court. The fact that they haven't speaks volumes, it's not worth it to them to try. Maybe they will in the future ? If so they should do it sooner rather than later. The Autocad case should be enough to spur them but somehow it isn't. I'm fine with DD only as well personally.

Consoles are different because they live in quite a different landscape than Steam or DVDs or CDS or whathaveyou when it comes to competition. A more competitive environment means you increase the chance of a consumer getting better value for their money.

I as a consumer have accepted that an IOS app or a steam game is something that I can't sell as used. I as a consumer have not said the same thing about a CD for instance or a 360 disc. Let the publishers make the case or bring a lawsuit or use the DRM tools available to it.

In short let them Bring It

You aren't the rest of the country who spoke up the subject. The deal isn't good enough for them. MS and publishers need to make a better deal or sue somebody.

I bet you can get what you want and other consumers can get what they want when it comes to used games. It's not rocket science it really isn't.

 

I can't see the video... What he said?

 

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I will try to transcribe it (it's mostly literal, but I skipped a few words to cut down the text, I bolded the crucial parts):

"...in whatever area they are in the planet.

And I sympathise with those guys. The fact that... I know duds personally that would love the shit out of playing a Killer Instinct.

And they are going to be in another country where Xbox One isn't supported at all or they can't get online to download the game. That sucks, that really sucks.

I can completely sympathise with those guys. And that's honestly in my opinion one of the worst things about the system.


And the fact that these guys are coming on... like Don... Don Mattrick. I think that's his name (I am not too big with these PR guys' names).

Literally said *if you are a consumer of Microsoft and you don't want to get an Xbox One because of the internet issue we have another system for you, it's called the Xbox 360*. WHAT?

I HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD A PR GUY LITERALLY TELL PEOPLE *WE ARE NOT* "WE ARE NOT WHAT YOU WANT*. (CRUCIAL)

It seems honestly that Microsoft doesn't know what the hell is going on on that. That people between the PR department and marketing honestly are not talking to each other about making this.

Because when you release a piece of hardware a piece of hardware especially one that costs 500 hundred dollars you try to make that available for Everybody, right? "

 

Some hideous conspiracy against MS .... Must be Sony and Illuminate !!!!

I say enough of this poor Microsoft nonsense. They indeed could have laid out the case in clear language and with a more positive spin on things. I was listening to some podcast .... Weekend Confirmed I think ( not a fan of Garnett too much but sometimes he has John Davison on whom I like... I miss teh 1UP ) and one of the guests threw out a bunch of positive spin off the top of his head that would have sold things far better than the brainiacs in charge of this debacle.

MS management sucks on this issue, it's not a conspiracy it's incompetence open and shut. If GAF forums could somehow REALLY MAKE a huge multinational corporations bend to their will the world would be a very different place I assure you.

Added: Seriously you are citing Penny Arcade as part of this conspiracy ??

 

If you have a 100GB data cap, I doubt online/cloud would ever put you over (unless you live in front of your console or you were running into before), if you download 2 games that month, you're already over.

 

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That is the thing though. They were crystal clear on the policy, it was written in simple, grade-school level English. Unfortunately that didn't fit the narrative the hive-mind wanted.

MS made a classic marketing blunder thoughout this early campaign. They assumed that their audience was rational and capable of cogent thought. Everything was quite clear. They prepared the audience for the initial reveal and blatantly said games for E3. However, people were either too stupid or biased to understand.

This whole fiasco has forced me to revise downward my already extremely low view of the general intelligence level of the public. I think I need to add a new zero on my estimate of the proportion non-brain-dead people to 0.001.

 

Sorry for those folks but then again I heard a lot of "deal with it" when came to network limitations from MS fan base a month ago . Still they must want more than 1 or 2 large games a month ( now with the CONNECTED world we live in I betcha those downloads will shrink a bit with CLOUD POWER ) and really be unhappy about swapping disks. I don't doubt that there are plenty of folks of that persuasion but I wouldn't call it a large or profitable fraction of the population. Maybe 3 smaller downloads and 1 disk will suffice. Mix and match. Too bad telecom companies suck. Hey MS wants to make deals with oligarchical telecoms and used game selling Gamestop ... you sure MS is on your side

 

More than fair enough

 

Thank you for posting this. What was confusing people is the 1 hour checkins/checkouts (license checks).

 

Small correction, Don Mattrick is not a PR guy. He is the President of IEB. There are exactly 0 people in the reporting chain between him and Steve Ballmer. He probably has a net worth more than everyone on this board added together. Shows you even rich, smart, and successful people can say extremely stupid things.

 

Cranky, it's all Microsoft's fault imho, and the worst marketing ever.

The Chartered Institute of Marketing in the United Kingdom says this about the definition of Marketing -thanks rydimer.

"Marketing is the management process responsible for identifying, anticipating and satisfying customer requirements profitably".

You are trying to satisfy a need. You have to make people NEED your product.

Then there is the words from the Youtube guy's video:

A PR guy, PR... was telling people. "We are not what you want".

That's like saying "We are not what you need". First rule of marketing (satisfy people's needs).


I really really like the Xbox One as no one can imagine, and I believe it can face criticism like any other console of the next generation 'cos the product is so damn good that it will succeed and has -imho- the biggest potential of the next gen consoles, but to me that's the worst marketing I've seen and what caused the DRM debacle.

 

Wow, I stand corrected then. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know that IEB stands for, but thanks for that, and wow, just wow, again at the comment on the net thing.

Have you ever thought about being a mod here or something like that? You are honest and trustable and kind, that would make for one hell of a mod if you ask me!!

 

Again, bkilian, in my opinion they failed to communicate that people need the console.

When you need someone or something, you are at the mercy of that person or thing. It's called dependence. :/

Let's say you are married to a man/woman who earns money for both and satisfies your every need because he/she is good to you and you don't have a job.

Then they decide to leave you one fine morning, and your life is over.

The best description of this are Bill Gates' famous words "You make people need you".

Those words have been portrayed in the movie "The pirates of Silicon Valley".



Transcription:

Spoiler

"You know how you survive?

You make people need you.

You survive.... because you make them need what you have.

And then they have nowhere else to go.

Right now, we are dead. Nobody needs us.

(....)

You know they say in the mafia: "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer".

PERFECT ULTRA COMBO.

 

You know, it really does boil down to a horrific and arrogant marketing and first message. To the level of the PS3's launch.

Think of it this way, what if the first messages were clear and an accurate representation of this mythical wondrous digital utopia, that they can say anything about now because they don't actually have to implement anymore (on both sides)? Then, they could say how they have this wonderful stopgap that was meant for you, the consumer, to help you bridge the digital gap with these discs you can buy in store. But don't think of them like the usual console discs. These are just pre-downloaded games for you to install.

Same goes for the cloud. Instead of pretending it's rainbows and unicorns. Actually have more real world representations of cloud usage, such as what Respawn is reporting, and then go on to tell everyone that now every developer has access to these resources. (Which I still haven't found out whether it's part of the usual XB1 development fees, or costs extra)

 

It cost extra. Maybe i was the only one that thought it was free to developers and xbl gold fees were funding it. Maybe this is why we have no multiplatform game using it. Only 1st/2nd party games...

http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/

 

Interactive Entertainment Business

 

Isn't it just possible that it wasn't a failing in the sense of a lack of understanding or communication, but that ms was simply offering something that people clearly understood they didn't want?
I knew what ms was offering and what they wanted in return and it simply didn't work for me.
It didn't fit with how I want to use my console and consume my media.

 

It's not the most elegant solution but how about selling a DDD ( Digital Download Disc ) online only with all of the caveats and benefits associated with the original MS plan. It's opt in. Sure 2 skus suck compared to one but if the original idea was so awesome ....