It's almost as if the LAN party wouldn't have wifi, who the hell would work like that? Also, to play multiplayer on the 360, you generally have to be signed into live, as far as I know, I thought system link was abandoned with the original Xbox. Not much of a multiplayer person myself, so I could be wrong.
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ahh yes you could be right... much ado about nothing there I guess
I distinctly remember Gears of War 3 Offline LAN parties.
And a lot of them are coming here creating new accounts...you could easily tell by their low post count and emotional instability not to mention the constant mention of GAF...
Some people are generally pissed. The GAF witch hunt mentality on shills is embarrassing though. They can ban till the cows come home, if the console is a success to the mainstream I see dark times ahead on the gaming side for that website.
But that's worst case scenario here.
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I'm specifically addressing his over reaching; he is claiming that XB1 will never be hacked and because of this the XB1 could/should be the lead platform for developers. I think you and I both know that is extremely faulty logic on many levels.
I simply pointed out one problem with this conclusion; namely that the 360 was the lead for many third parties in spite of being hacked much earlier than the PS3 therefore hacking didn't change the lead platform for developers.
Its far more reasonable to assume that developers will choose to lead with the platform that has the best tools.
Nevermind how one infers that a 3 OS platform will never be hacked....
What if a gamer was given the option through Live to register their game as a no-share installation, which would allow a player to extend the call-home window for those specific games?
Is there a fear of people doing a disk image of the custom, proprietary, probably encrypted, HDD so that even cutting a disc off permanently is insufficient?
Is there a fear of people doing a disk image of the custom, proprietary, probably encrypted, HDD so that even cutting a disc off permanently is insufficient?
Yep, you're right. Looks like system link is possible, and a reasonable number of games support it. I stand corrected. Like I said, not much of a multiplayer person.
Please look up the PS2 sales in secondary markets. What's going on right now is an industry movement. The only way to ague this is a first world issue would be to make art irrelevant, and it never was, in any culture, for any income class. The current path will make interactive art inaccessible to the lower income class, it will also make it ephemeral, so accessible only to the middle class and above. The lower class were the ones buying used games and renting games, and being about a generation late because of the income issue. This is what's being purged. Even in America.
Gone for day & a half & look at the shit storm. OMG
I think I'm being consistent with my previous posts(I'm sure somebody will let me know if I'm not), that I still don't have a problem with the way Microsoft is going with online & DRM. 24 hour checks is no big deal for me. Neither is the 1 hour check if using somebody else's console, but that was a big surprise, wasn't expecting that.
I like that disc & digital is day 1. If I buy the disc I get digital too & never need the disc again after I install it(as long as I have an Internet connection).
Kind of surprised nobody is talking about the minimum speed recommendation of 1.5Mbps. Not an issue for me though. Microsoft are definitely targeting a certain kind of customer. But at least they mention you can use a mobile broadband connection. So it seems the check is non-obtrusive.
Sharing your entire game library with your "family" of 10 users is a win for me. Rancid get ready to be considered to be my "brother".
Emphasis on "shared games/libary" is mine. Seems that you pick & choose your own shared library. Sounds like you go to your Friends List & along with GamerScore, Achievements & Game History you'll be able to see what games your "family" member is sharing with you.
As for Used Games, it looks like they are not going away, but it's becoming more restricted. One good sign is it's not dying. Another good sign is MS are not charging any fees to do it. But one bad sign is they are leaving it to the publishers & they can choose to charge a fee & that's if they even allow it. MGS didn't say they wouldn't charge a fee, just that they would allow trade-ins.
Anyway, I assume here in the States, the bigger retailers like GameStop & Amazon will still be dealing in used games. But it puts the kibosh on eBay & Craigslist buying/selling. I probably did that like once. Most of my trades/sales were done with Game X Change. Not a huge retailer, but they have 50 stores across 9 states. Hopefully they will be one of "participating retailers". If not, I guess I'm going exclusively to GameStop.
BTW, I got an email from GameStop on the latest details within a couple of hours of it going live. It had a lot of the info in a FAQ format & had some of the answers word-for-word from the Xbox site.
Can't really tell if they feel good, bad or indifferent about it. I'm sure they had a lot of feedback into the system.
Lastly, no loaning or renting at launch, leaves it open for the future. And the disclaimer that they are still listening to feedback & if they get enough backlash then things can still change. Sounds like it's all in the hands of the publishers which to me means that Sony will probably have a similar business plan for PS4 games.
One thing I would have liked to hear is about trials & demos. The great thing about XBLA & XBLIG was that the trial & full version were one & the same. You just had to pay to unlock the full version. I'm hoping this works the same way with all digital games. So I can download the digital version of a AAA disc game & it automatically has a trial version. If I like it enough, then I can pay to unlock the full version.
Can't lug it? When I first got Kinect I did exactly that with my original fat 360, power brick & Kinect. It doesn't look like the size will be so big you can't still do that.
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I think I'm being consistent with my previous posts(I'm sure somebody will let me know if I'm not), that I still don't have a problem with the way Microsoft is going with online & DRM. 24 hour checks is no big deal for me. Neither is the 1 hour check if using somebody else's console, but that was a big surprise, wasn't expecting that.
I like that disc & digital is day 1. If I buy the disc I get digital too & never need the disc again after I install it(as long as I have an Internet connection).
Kind of surprised nobody is talking about the minimum speed recommendation of 1.5Mbps. Not an issue for me though. Microsoft are definitely targeting a certain kind of customer. But at least they mention you can use a mobile broadband connection. So it seems the check is non-obtrusive.
Sharing your entire game library with your "family" of 10 users is a win for me. Rancid get ready to be considered to be my "brother".
Emphasis on "shared games/libary" is mine. Seems that you pick & choose your own shared library. Sounds like you go to your Friends List & along with GamerScore, Achievements & Game History you'll be able to see what games your "family" member is sharing with you.
As for Used Games, it looks like they are not going away, but it's becoming more restricted. One good sign is it's not dying. Another good sign is MS are not charging any fees to do it. But one bad sign is they are leaving it to the publishers & they can choose to charge a fee & that's if they even allow it. MGS didn't say they wouldn't charge a fee, just that they would allow trade-ins.
Anyway, I assume here in the States, the bigger retailers like GameStop & Amazon will still be dealing in used games. But it puts the kibosh on eBay & Craigslist buying/selling. I probably did that like once. Most of my trades/sales were done with Game X Change. Not a huge retailer, but they have 50 stores across 9 states. Hopefully they will be one of "participating retailers". If not, I guess I'm going exclusively to GameStop.
BTW, I got an email from GameStop on the latest details within a couple of hours of it going live. It had a lot of the info in a FAQ format & had some of the answers word-for-word from the Xbox site.
Can't really tell if they feel good, bad or indifferent about it. I'm sure they had a lot of feedback into the system.
Lastly, no loaning or renting at launch, leaves it open for the future. And the disclaimer that they are still listening to feedback & if they get enough backlash then things can still change. Sounds like it's all in the hands of the publishers which to me means that Sony will probably have a similar business plan for PS4 games.
One thing I would have liked to hear is about trials & demos. The great thing about XBLA & XBLIG was that the trial & full version were one & the same. You just had to pay to unlock the full version. I'm hoping this works the same way with all digital games. So I can download the digital version of a AAA disc game & it automatically has a trial version. If I like it enough, then I can pay to unlock the full version.
Can't lug it? When I first got Kinect I did exactly that with my original fat 360, power brick & Kinect. It doesn't look like the size will be so big you can't still do that.
Tommy McClain
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No you could play system link without being signed into live on 360.
We used to do it with Halo 3, ODST and Reach all the time.
Exactly! I would have been much more likely to believe CBOAT if he had said the system had been downclocked by X MHz than for him to wave the magic "ooh, yield problems!" wand around. Developers would have received a whitepaper on a lowered clock rate, along with implications of that and mitigations.
Of course yields are not going to be great, have you _seen_ the size of that die? It's a no-brainer to "leak" that.
Well, I guess maybe he thought he was confirming the downclock. This all came up when Thruway said he heard the downclock was bringing the system down to 8-900 GFlops. Proleriate said he heard the same thing. BruceLeeRoy said he heard what Thruway heard, and GopherD agreed with BLR. Plus Matt drove by to say "It's true!" and CBOAT swooped in to say the chip was a nightmare. But by that time the discussion had been partitioned off into a "Xbox One ESRAM yields suck" thread, so a lot of people started splitting hairs about who was confirming what. But the chain of events could easily be read as everyone confirming Thruway's original claim that they were going to have to reduce the clock speed.
I think Crazy Butt Train said there are issues with the ESRAM, Major Nelson refuted a down-clock so both could be correct. I've been saying for 2 days now that its likely MS will simply take the hit to yields rather than take a hit to performance.
Further more based on everything that has been coming out about the complexity of the design its perfectly reasonable to assume the chip is having issues with yields.
Oh I didnt see that comment. But it doesnt say that a "fee" is out of the question.Why are you assuming that when the info officially released clearly says there is no fee?Are you implying the publisher will charge that, because it sure isn't Microsoft.
From http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
"Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
Words like "may opt in or out" , "may set up", "third party can enable", "we are exploring" and the fact that loaning and renting games wont be available, at launch raises questions about what will happen in case "they opt out" and they "dont enable". They talk about "transferring fees with retailers" without specifying if that involves fees the consumer will have to pay to the publisher or the retailer.
This comment also suggests an effort to do some damage control and a sudden change of plans after the backlash they received from their previous comments and so they are trying to find alternative solutions
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Wow. GAF is like TNT, they know drama.
Anyway, I've been wondering. Has anyone ventured that this whole thing is a smoke out? With all the problematic messaging MS has had there's probably been a concerted effort to control the message as much as possible, and getting rid of informants certainly helps in that regard. It syncs with the circling of the wagons we've seen from them lately (cancelling a number of Q&As and 1-on-1s) as well.
Anyway, I've been wondering. Has anyone ventured that this whole thing is a smoke out? With all the problematic messaging MS has had there's probably been a concerted effort to control the message as much as possible, and getting rid of informants certainly helps in that regard. It syncs with the circling of the wagons we've seen from them lately (cancelling a number of Q&As and 1-on-1s) as well.
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Well, Cboat could very well know someone from TSMC.
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I read it from the beginning past where cboat chimed in and he was very specifically not confirming anyone else. he made his own statement clearly only identifying issues in ESRAM
now if he posts Monday, that may change
any possibilities that those "features" are region locked to NA?
xbone on Asia won't have those "features"?
xbone on Asia won't have those "features"?
No he didn't he responded to the esram question and didnt respond to the question after about the down clock.
Simple fact: at some point, making a console that won't have Internet access is idiotic. The question is whether that is today, tomorrow, 5 years or 2 decades from now.
Everyone knows of the howling that came from the first Xbox only supporting broadband. We all know how that turned out.
Everyone knows of the howling that came from the first Xbox only supporting broadband. We all know how that turned out.
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