News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

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If the XB1 came with 2 HD 8990 and an 8 core i7 but only played Halo Kart, Super Spartan Bros and a bunch of HD versions of Apple like game apps because it had no third party support, I doubt you would any happier than you are now about the XB1.

But we would cause realistically there's no way a super powerful console will be limited in third party support.

In other words your scenario is artificial and impossible. In reality a 2X 8990 console would get every game available, they would just look better.

I mean then we can go into the other caveats like how much such a beast would cost, I'm just dealing with abstractions for now.

If the XB1 shows off a bunch exclusive titles, you find compelling, that have far better IQ than the 360 titles you are playing on now then why is that not enough?

It's not enough because this isn't a vacuum. I want to play the best looking console games or at least, in the ballpark.

If XB1 comes in at 800-900gflops it's a very tough sell for me, and I'm probably literally the best Xbot on the internet. If MS cant sell to me they have no hope. I will buy one at 1.2 TF, but 8-900 gflops is just going too far. It's just too pitifully underpowered in 2013. It's barely better than 360 once you take increased resolution into account.

Unless that ESRAM can really work miracles and turn 900 gflops into looking like 1.5 teraflops. For that we'll have to see games, e3 is just around the corner.

The bad thing about all of this is my dislike for the PS controller. It will make seamlessly switching to PS4 rather unpalatable.
 
But we would cause realistically there's no way a super powerful console will be limited in third party support.

In other words your scenario is artificial and impossible. In reality a 2X 8990 console would get every game available, they would just look better.

I mean then we can go into the other caveats like how much such a beast would cost, I'm just dealing with abstractions for now.

They would just get no support as it would be priced through the roof.

A single 7990 is around 1000 USD. sticking two in there you're looking at 2000 USD just for the GPU.
 
They would just get no support as it would be priced through the roof.

well yeah thats why i said that caveat.

power has a sweet spot like anything, 2x 8990 would be really dumb (since 8990 would be the dual GPU on one card version).

Also GPU's arent priced proportional to cost. 2X 7990 does not cost anywhere near 2k. But that's another pointless debate. Most teardowns put a given die at ~100 regardless of size.

But a 7970 ghz edition? Much more viable and realistic.

you only need to be more powerful than the competition.

ps4 is no great shakes in the flop dept, but it's riding high cause it has "more than the other guy"
 
But we would cause realistically there's no way a super powerful console will be limited in third party support.

In other words your scenario is artificial and impossible. In reality a 2X 8990 console would get every game available, they would just look better.

I mean then we can go into the other caveats like how much such a beast would cost, I'm just dealing with abstractions for now.



It's not enough because this isn't a vacuum. I want to play the best looking console games or at least, in the ballpark.

If XB1 comes in at 800-900gflops it's a very tough sell for me, and I'm probably literally the best Xbot on the internet. If MS cant sell to me they have no hope. I will buy one at 1.2 TF, but 8-900 gflops is just going too far. It's just too pitifully underpowered in 2013. It's barely better than 360 once you take increased resolution into account.

Unless that ESRAM can really work miracles and turn 900 gflops into looking like 1.5 teraflops. For that we'll have to see games, e3 is just around the corner.

The bad thing about all of this is my dislike for the PS controller. It will make seamlessly switching to PS4 rather unpalatable.

If graphics is your concern build a PC just like i did years ago...both consoles are underpowered in my personal opinion.
 
It'll be interesting cause there will be a meltdown either way. If GAF is right there will be a meltdown of epic proportions if it ever is officially confirmed. If gaf is wrong their will be a witchhunt of all supposed insiders of epic proportions. Either way it'll be an entertaining show.
 
It'll be interesting cause there will be a meltdown either way. If GAF is right there will be a meltdown of epic proportions if it ever is officially confirmed. If gaf is wrong their will be a witchhunt of all supposed insiders of epic proportions. Either way it'll be an entertaining show.

thuway and proelite were previously banned for posting false information... i wouldn't be surprise if this is a troll attempt at getting them banned..reiko got banned for the same reason..he was really confident of the information shared with him and it ended up all being fake and cost him the ban at NeoGAF.
 
If the XB1 came with 2 HD 8990 and an 8 core i7 but only played Halo Kart, Super Spartan Bros and a bunch of HD versions of Apple like game apps because it had no third party support, I doubt you would any happier than you are now about the XB1.

A hardware performance advantage bore MS a distant 2nd place and 25 million consoles while parity with the PS3 bore MS 75 million in console sales. All the while the PS2 managed 150 million with lesser hardware against its competitors. Why? Because the library is far more important than the hardware. Does that mean that ipad like hardware can compete in the hardware space? Probably not. But the XB1 isn't offering ipad like performance and both the PS4 or XB1 provide a performance level that can easily be out done with a few hundred dollars of investment into a PC. You don't console game for the hardware performance, you console game for the library.

If the XB1 shows off a bunch exclusive titles, you find compelling, that have far better IQ than the 360 titles you are playing on now then why is that not enough? If you really like and have a lot of loyalty to Nissan while spending your last 5 years driving around in a Maxima then why should a better spec competitor keep you from potentially enjoying a GT-R?

Whats the point of being angry about it. The 360 will still be around next year. And you can simply tape a XB1 logo on your PS4 and then turn your 360 and watch the XBOX logo screen and let melody play before you hit input and switch over to your PS4 title. You get the XB1 you always wanted with an extra button push and $10 dollars in stickers.
Power isn't everything for me, I am with you there. There is no way I am going to have a machine with two HD 8990 GPUs.

There are electricity bills to pay.

You need to look at the whole entire current generation. I have had an Xbox 360, which was a really capable machine, for almost 8 year now.

I had accepted the much greater efficiency of the new PS4 and Xbone as win win, that's why I was okay with the specs in both.

And if I had to say what's my favourite PC card it would be the Bonaire 7790 HD from AMD, because it's cheap and smart. I don't fancy Titan to be honest.

The problem is not just the negative elements that unfortunately exist within it, to achieve a better understanding of what Microsof's marketing department is about.

The problem is that it feels like they have been *playing* with people when we had pretty much accepted that the Xbone was an average machine with some interesting characteristics -SHAPE, DMEs, etc-. I fancied it, A LOT! :smile:

So the software is secondary for me in this case, I liked the machine as it was. Now if this was true -I am not so sure-.... I can't stand it. No amount of software is going to change the perceptions for me.

This forum is an oasis of peace, but others aren't. I remained silent dealing with fanboys' lies and continuous backlash, working as marketing PRs for a company which is never going to pay them, that coming here make things better.

They get so hung up on the "right thing to do," that is, trying so hard to attack the Xbox One, they have to rag on those who want it and mock, and tease every single day.

After dealing with this as calmly as I could, after all the money I spent on the platform and some disappointments, this one is just too much for some people to handle. --take a look at what Rangers said... he is someone who always defended the console without fail.
 
If graphics is your concern build a PC just like i did years ago...both consoles are underpowered in my personal opinion.

PC has it's own issues for me.

-Expensive (no matter what anybody says, a $400 just graphics card is the norm, yet we blanch and whine at spending that for an entire console!)

-I prefer the comfy couch and controller, big screen HDTV, no drivers, plug n play scenario. Really the mouse/KB is only good for FPS/MMO/RTS. For most types of games, controller is better (yes you can do 360 controller sometimes on PC, pain and spotty)

-Games often aren't even day and date and you miss console exclusives.
 
I'd put my money on this being confusion over a potential upclock. They gave us bandwidth numbers in line with the old Durango leak at the reveal.
 
I doubt an upclock in fact I doubt any major changs other then a minor downclock to each console that this point we're talking within 10%. It's only going to get crazier in the next few months though I don't envy the mods jobs that's for sure.
 
Wait for official info, or real dev leaks later.

If we want to be suspicious, they may also use this opportunity to determine who the leakers were. ^_^
It gets tiring.

I think what warb is suggesting is that the rumored overheating may be due to a failing attempt to upclock the current setup to a certain target.
 
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

It would be nice if some of these stages of grief were internalized, instead of being played out in these forums on an infinite loop. Don't people get emotionally exhausted after a while?!
 
Wait for official info, or real dev leaks later.

If we want to be suspicious, they may also use this opportunity to determine who the leakers were. ^_^
It gets tiring.

I think what warb is suggesting is that the rumored overheating may be due to a failing attempt to upclock the current setup to a certain target.

people wants this console to be so weak is not even funny,quite sad if you ask me.
 
people wants this console to be so weak is not even funny,quite sad if you ask me.

Can we all agree never to trot this old chestnut out again? No one here wants a console to be weak, AFAICS, and internet arguments from other forums don't need to carry over to here.
 
After E3 we will have plenty of dev discussion if the NDA is lifted in full.

Could the overheating dev kits be related to just poor cooling solutions "off the shelf even" compared to the X1 box with proper cooling? Meh, I guess we will learn that in the weeks to come.

I did see in one of the MS videos that the zebra stripes were different on two consoles that were fairly close to each other. Faceplate for lack of a better word seemed to be equal though.

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thuway and proelite were previously banned for posting false information... i wouldn't be surprise if this is a troll attempt at getting them banned..reiko got banned for the same reason..he was really confident of the information shared with him and it ended up all being fake and cost him the ban at NeoGAF.

The difference is reiko knew nothing and had no track record of being an insider.

Both Proelite and especially thuway have had insider info in the past. Thuway was the first person to reveal the ESRAM amount, DDR3 and ESRAM bandwidths and the 5GB/2core system reservation.

And they are being corroborated by other GAF insiders whom I am not familiar with.
So definitely a rumour that should be given some consideration as it is not implausible.

Can someone tell me why GAF is treating GopherD like he's a bigger insider than thuway? What did he reveal?
And who is Crazy Butt Train?
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I also think everyone should calm down, we haven't had much confirmation of this yet and it is quite possible people are just extrapolating from what they're hearing about MS having issues with overheating and yields.

I don't think if the rumours are true, the downclock would be this big, 900GF is a 25% downclock which is huge, something like 10% would be more plausible.
 
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