News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

[Xenio]

Actually, with GDDR5 it's really easy, you just solder chips to the back of the motherboard so they're connected to the chips on the front. This "clamshell" design is a unique feature of GDDR5 and requires no modification of the memory controller or motherboard layout.

but in this way the chip can transfer only two 16-bit data-words per clock cycle instead a two 32-bit, am I wrong?

The most probable theory is that they were already in clamshell mode, and they decided to use ram chip with twice the density (from 4Gbits to 8Gbits). This doesn't require any changes to anything. It's only a question of procurement and cost.

The only similar mod to durango would be clocking the SoC higher, and/or using 16GB.

reasonable, but those chip's are not available for mass production, from what I know..

 

[Brad Grenz]

but in this way the chip can transfer only two 16-bit data-words per clock cycle instead a two 32-bit, am I wrong?

Right, but they work in pairs. The bandwidth is constant, the only thing that changes is the capacity. 16 chips in 16 bit mode vs 8 chips in 32 bit mode.

 

[Strange]

but in this way the chip can transfer only two 16-bit data-words per clock cycle instead a two 32-bit, am I wrong?



reasonable, but those chip's are not available for mass production, from what I know..

Putting it in simple terms, clamshell mode treats two GDDR5 chips on opposite sides of the board as one chip. The controllers also automatically detects this configuration, so it's very easy and doesn't require any design change.

http://www.elpida.com/pdfs/E1600E10.pdf

Read more here if you're interested.

But the most likely bump from 4GB=>8GB was probably changing the chip density from 2Gb to 4Gb chips. They should have been clamshell mode (or left the possibility open) from the very beginning.

 

[Tap In]

Hey, never underestimate microsoft...
The xbox dashboard isn't a TV show either, but last time I checked it was chock full of commercials (ads.)

2006?

there is one small box on dashboard that if you deliberately highlight, gives you an ad. All other promos are for content that saves me time to search for things I may be interested in the service.

 

[BRiT]

standard denial. bkilian has all but confirmed the vgleaks info.

Or BKillian has been having a real laugh with his trolling of forum warriors...

 

[DJ12]

Well planned if it is must've been difficult to coordinate all the different sources confirming things. Maybe he gave superdae the password to the server lol

 

[Xenio]

he he, all we know for certain is that there are only 11 days left.

the industry is pretty confident that it will be a memorable day, what they knows that we don't?

Paul Rainess: "Xbox 720 is a very hot, compelling device. We've been spending a lot of time with Microsoft, but we have to let them take the lead on this, but it will be a very hot, compelling device," Raines said. "They are doing some really cool stuff, and I'm eager to hear them start their announcements because I think the world is going to stand up and take notice."

http://uk.gamespot.com//news/xbox-720-a-very-hot-compelling-device-says-gamestop-6406315?sid=6406315

 

[liolio]

the industry is pretty confident that it will be a memorable day, what they knows that we don't?

Well may be they "know" the same as we do but they see more value in the whole package that tech fora do as they are overly focused on the specs.

 

[MrFox]

What about the rumor that Kaveri has a dual-mode DDR3/GDDR5 controller?
If MS had this controller from the start, they could change the ram without reworking the SoC.
(it would still be very improbable, but not impossible)

 

[Cyan]

the industry is pretty confident that it will be a memorable day, what they knows that we don't?




http://uk.gamespot.com//news/xbox-720-a-very-hot-compelling-device-says-gamestop-6406315?sid=6406315

Well I am not unhappy with the leaked specs, there are other things which are a big no no for me if they were to be confirmed.

If the leaked specs are true, it would be efficiency vs the power of the PS4 and the PC. The later plays better to the gallery.

But I am used to think VGleaks specs are very close to the real thing, and they aren't that bad after all --if only my complaint is the price, the most I paid for a console was 400€, and 500€ taking into account the specs is not cheap.

Let's see how everything pans out.

 

[Xenio]

What about the rumor that Kaveri has a dual-mode DDR3/GDDR5 controller?
If MS had this controller from the start, they could change the ram without reworking the SoC.
(it would still be very improbable, but not impossible)

ok the controller can be ok, the 256 bit bus too.

I think that tech wise the GDDR5 rumor can be true, the only thing that give me doubts is the BOM, having both eSram and GDDR5 it's costly, let's wait and see @ the 21

Well I am not unhappy with the leaked specs, there are other things which are a big no no for me if they were to be confirmed.

If the leaked specs are true, it would be efficiency vs the power of the PS4 and the PC. The later plays better to the gallery.

But I am used to think VGleaks specs are very close to the real thing, and they aren't that bad after all --if only my complaint is the price, the most I paid for a console was 400€, and 500€ taking into account the specs is not cheap.

Let's see how everything pans out.

I agree that the final machine will be similar to the olds leak, maybe one modification is possible, maybe uprising clocks or memory
anyway if they only clock raise to match 1,53/1,61 TF (960-1050 MHz) it with an high efficiency can win over an 1,8 TF all the times or be on pair at all

Of course we're talking about image details, in real life to see differences you need 2-3x the power, not 25-30%, everyone knows that's the truth
about the price, if kinect is in the box, if glasses is in the box, hardly can it be less than 449€ at launch, 399 after 6 months....
without glasses anche kinect they can go fo 299-349€ but at least kinect will be there. in my opinion

 

[MrFox]

Even if it was true, it doesn't change the fact that for the same SoC size, they could have had maybe 18CU instead of 12CU+ESRAM (or something like that). That makes either the ESRAM or GDDR5 a waste of money.

 

[tuna]

rumor is different from fact.
there's 0 (ZERO) developers that say this, and there're a LOT of developers that was surprised by announcement.

reality > fake rumor on a website

Edge is probably the most respected games mag in Europe and they seem to have excellent sources within Sony. Also, the 8 Gig upgrade rumour was printed before it was posted on their website (IIRC).

 

[Xenio]

seems that the reveal day is NOT focused on kinect, good news

 

[pjbliverpool]

with an high efficiency can win over an 1,8 TF all the times or be on pair at all

Why? What evidence is there that Durnango will be more efficient than PS4? Don't say esram or move engines as it's been discussed at length with no definitive consensus that they will have an appreciable impact on graphics performance.

I'm sorry but all this creativity with the facts and these outlandish, baseless expectations are really starting to get on my nerves. I don't give a crap which console is more powerful than the other but the evidence we've seen so far speaks for itself, please stop making wild claims to suport your agenda.

 

[Xenio]

Why? What evidence is there that Durnango will be more efficient than PS4? Don't say esram or move engines as it's been discussed at length with no definitive consensus that they will have an appreciable impact on graphics performance.

I'm sorry but all this creativity with the facts and these outlandish, baseless expectations are really starting to get on my nerves. I don't give a crap which console is more powerful than the other but the evidence we've seen so far speaks for itself, please stop making wild claims to suport your agenda.

there's no evidences at all, just old specs and speculation, calm down

 

[Strange]

anyway if they only clock raise to match 1,53/1,61 TF (960-1050 MHz) it with an high efficiency can win over an 1,8 TF all the times or be on pair at all

Of course we're talking about image details, in real life to see differences you need 2-3x the power, not 25-30%, everyone knows that's the truth
about the price, if kinect is in the box, if glasses is in the box, hardly can it be less than 449€ at launch, 399 after 6 months....
without glasses anche kinect they can go fo 299-349€ but at least kinect will be there. in my opinion

Why upclock it at all if you need 2~3x the power instead of 25~30% to see differences?

Stop slapping yourself in the face.

 

[Xenio]

Why upclock it at all if you need 2~3x the power instead of 25~30% to see differences?

Stop slapping yourself in the face.

why slap myself when there're volunteers as you who like so much to be slapped?

try to be less rude and more educated, more smart is not a rational request, and I'll answer.

 

[COPS N RAPPERS]

I have a couple questions, does anyone believe that Microsoft might have made all kinds of test devkits with lots of different architectural and size differences from the beginning? I thought about that when i remembered seeing something similar with the xbox 360.

Xbox 360 betas.

Or does anyone believe that Microsoft could show off the design of the new xbox, With nothing actually inside of the box?

In comparison where sony did the complete opposite.

 

[BRiT]

In one or both of the threads' tags I now see items for 12 gigs and also for 384 bit bus. Is that possible to have triple channel memory like that?