Microsoft Xbox Reveal Event - May 21, 2013

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That's not really what he said. In context, he clearly seems to be discussing the console generation as whole, which would include the PS4 and Wii U:



His expansion comment seems to be built on top of that and still in broad "console generation" terms:
Yes, if you read the news that's what they actually said, but it always depends on the site you get your info from.

Softpedia literally mention that Microsoft aim at 400 million / 1 billion sales for the Xbox One.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micr...1-Billion-Device-During-Lifetime-355838.shtml

While these two websites are more in tune with your words:

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/microsoft-predicts-recor​d-breaking-xbox-360-xbox-one-sales-1154375

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-25-microsoft-next-gen-co​uld-hit-1-billion-consoles-sold
 
Yes, if you read the news that's what they actually said, but it always depends on the site you get your info from.

Softpedia literally mention that Microsoft aim at 400 million / 1 billion sales for the Xbox One.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micr...1-Billion-Device-During-Lifetime-355838.shtml

While these two websites are more in tune with your words:

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/microsoft-predicts-recor​d-breaking-xbox-360-xbox-one-sales-1154375

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-25-microsoft-next-gen-co​uld-hit-1-billion-consoles-sold

Softpedia says MS plans to sell that many. His actual words (the direct quote) in that very article, however, are the same:

"Every generation, as you’ve probably heard, has grown approximately 30%. So this generation is about 300 million units. Most industry experts think the next generationwill get upwards of about 400 million units."

I see your point, but I think this goes to back to what ERP mentioned in another post about game journalist taking an official statement, adding their own interpretation, and presenting their interpreted version as fact.
 
Softpedia says MS plans to sell that many. His actual words (the direct quote) in that very article, however, are the same:



I see your point, but I think this goes to back to what ERP mentioned in another post about game journalist taking an official statement, adding their own interpretation, and presenting their interpreted version as fact.
This, and the fact that there are tons of questions and very few answers regarding the Xbox One. It looks like Microsoft's marketing department are lethargic, or simply not doing a great job.

People are paying constant attention, but then you get different rumours, the most troublesome in terms of bad press being the used games market and always online connection and it looks like nothing is happening at MS with all the backlash they've been getting.
 
Do you really see this as "understanding" PR? Even if I try to keep out my really negative bias of the product I felt the PR really bad handled. For such an event you need to know what message you want to send and be aware of how it is perceived.
But the message(s) they sent were unclear and chaotic where they either caused the impression that they didn't know or hadn't thought about issues before so their answers felt "improvised". Some might even think they were coached to give out all these conflicting messages because they knew their messages wouldn't be received well.

A few messages which rubbed me wrong after thinking about it. XBox One on one hand should say "unified" but on the other hand it erases the whole history of the XBox products by declaring it as the *first*. Some people might feel slighted by it "unintentionally".

50+ year old mom type managers also sent the exact wrong message to the fan base. You wouldn't let R. Nixon open the Woodstock festival either. You need people which relate to its target audience either by their history or by their personality.


Here's another one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-yaverbaum/so-long-sony-why-the-crit_b_3333781.html

Love them or hate them they are very good at staying on message and leveraging the media to circulate their talking points.
 
The point being that at a 'console' reveal, MS revealed an expensive remote control for the mainstream. If the mainstream is a very small sliver of the entire market, who apparently need 'help' changing channels on a TV.

Not to mention the fact that the hour was spent conjoining the xbone with a format that is in a steady decline as streaming media takes over. Something that all the platforms have equal access to.

cable isn't going away anytime soon. While it may be in decline its still the way a huge chunk of people watch their programing.

What I like about the xbox is that it appears I can be playing a game and get a Skype call from my gf and switch to that instantly. Talk to her and then send her an invite to the game and play the game with her then when she has to go I can switch to a movie and then to tv and then back to Skype when she comes back.

Infact the only thing cooler would be if they could use my tablet as a second screen with all my team mates faces for when we are playing games.

Right now I have to switch my tv from my xbox to my htpc to my bluray to my xbox and so on and so forth everytime I want to do something
 
cable isn't going away anytime soon. While it may be in decline its still the way a huge chunk of people watch their programing.

What I like about the xbox is that it appears I can be playing a game and get a Skype call from my gf and switch to that instantly. Talk to her and then send her an invite to the game and play the game with her then when she has to go I can switch to a movie and then to tv and then back to Skype when she comes back.

Infact the only thing cooler would be if they could use my tablet as a second screen with all my team mates faces for when we are playing games.

Right now I have to switch my tv from my xbox to my htpc to my bluray to my xbox and so on and so forth everytime I want to do something

Cable and satellite aren't the problem its the content producers who force them to buy ESPN and 2 or 3 other channels that drives up the cost. Until/unless we see a major change with who has access to live feed from sporting events the cost will only continue to climb.
 
Well, yeah. They obvious paid that PR professional who specializes in crisis messaging to post that. If you have no scruples and lots of money and connections it's easy to astroturf the world.


I don't blame them considering many people on the internet are over reacting without knowing the whole plan yet or even the games for crying out loud... they are just as bad a s a PR guy with their anger that MS might actually cost them a few bucks out of their pockets for used games so the devs can make their share.

to me besides the irrational hate for MS, this used game issue is all about people being cheap and not appreciating the work of the devs. If I'm wrong then I can only imagine it is misdirected rage


...and this coming form a guy who has traded in every game he has ever owned except the games I am currently playing.

Maybe I'm just getting too old for entitled, whiny gamers.
 
I don't blame them considering many people on the internet are over reacting without knowing the whole plan yet or even the games for crying out loud... they are just as bad a s a PR guy with their anger that MS might actually cost them a few bucks out of their pockets for used games so the devs can make their share.

to me besides the irrational hate for MS, this used game issue is all about people being cheap and not appreciating the work of the devs. If I'm wrong then I can only imagine it is misdirected rage

It's not irrational hate, it's actually very rational. And i wouldn't call it Microsoft hate, i would call it XBOX1 anger instead. It's so very obvious that many many current XBOX owners are very disappointed with the Reveal. Weak specs, a focus on TV TV TV , SPORTS SPORT SPORT and a bit of COD and dogs compared to a PS4 reveal that more or less only focused on games. And i can understand it, the tweets and the build up to the XBOX1 reveal promised us something else, i think many here, including me, expected Microsoft to come out with all guns and show Sony how it's done.

Microsoft confirmed that you need an internet connection to use your console. Bad
Microsoft confirmed that every game will have to be activated. Bad (deal breaker)
Microsoft confirmed that Kinect will always watch you. May be bad, there is a suggestion that it should be possible to change this in privacy settings!
Microsoft have spend money on building another TV solution that relies on a IR blaster and is aimed at the USA. But everyone has to pay for that added hardware and software. BAD
Microsoft confirmed that the specs are 25-50% weaker than the PS4. Bad

Positives: Blu-Ray drive, Windows 8 apps, a proper design that wont cause RROD disasters,
 
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Well, yeah. They obvious paid that PR professional who specializes in crisis messaging to post that. If you have no scruples and lots of money and connections it's easy to astroturf the world.

Sure, and Microsoft didn't just spend one billion on games. They went and spent multiple billions to pay off all of the major mainstream news outlets in all countries. Um, yeah...

Or did you not notice that the person you are commenting about isn't a Microsoft PR employee? But is an established author, and columnist of the Huffington Post? And not even just a middling author. He's a best selling author with multiple books.

I don't think Microsoft could pay him enough to say something he didn't want to say. Especially when you consider he owns 4 social media magazines with a combined circulation of over 14 million. I somehow don't think he's exactly hurting for money.

Regards,
SB
 
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E3 E3 games games games.... the reveal served a mainstream purpose... there will be plenty of stuff on games of course, that's why it is irrational.

there are many things in this world that companies do that I don't agree with but I don't have whiny melt downs screaming about my rights and what they are doing wrong when all I have to do is turn off the laptop and go about my day knowing I won't buy it.

It is the obsessive, irrational hate trying to get everyone in the world to make sure this is DOA because they don't like MS or the direction they are taking gaming (yes you are correct with Xbox One) and they know that due to their incredible engineering skills, partnerships and investments there is a fear that the new world gaming order might just happen.



Microsoft confirmed that you need an internet connection to use your console. I am always on and so are many many people all the time
Microsoft confirmed that every game will have to be activated. LOVE IT no more discs to play games
Microsoft confirmed that Kinect will always watch you. You can turn off the camera in privacy settings
Microsoft have spend money on building another TV solution that relies on a IR blaster and is aimed at the USA. But everyone has to pay for that added hardware and software. I can see how EU is not happy but they have more to come I'm sure for EU.
Microsoft confirmed that the specs are 25-50% weaker than the PS4. and the power issue will not be an issue at all for someone that wants all the things they are offering.
 
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Cable and satellite aren't the problem its the content producers who force them to buy ESPN and 2 or 3 other channels that drives up the cost. Until/unless we see a major change with who has access to live feed from sporting events the cost will only continue to climb.

I dunno for me its about $40 to get cable tv and includes showtime.

http://www.optimum.com/order/triple_play.jsp $85 for tv internet and phone vs $40 a month for just internet.

fios is $90 a month for the triple play vs $50 for internet alone.

So I dunno. I don't see myself cutting cable unless bundling stops and internet prices drop or post bundle prices for the tv side go way up. Right now it doesn't make much sense
 
Well, yeah. They obvious paid that PR professional who specializes in crisis messaging to post that. If you have no scruples and lots of money and connections it's easy to astroturf the world.
Whaaat? Considering the number of factual errors in there, like assuming all 48 million live subscribers are gold, and that gold is $60 a month, and that the PS3 is vastly more powerful than the 360. Doesn't look like astroturfing to me...
 
Sure, and Microsoft didn't just spend one billion on games. They went and spent multiple billions to pay off all of the major mainstream news outlets in all countries. Um, yeah...

Or did you not notice that the person you are commenting about isn't a Microsoft PR employee? But is an established author, and columnist of the Huffington Post? And not even just a middling author. He's a best selling author with multiple books.

I don't think Microsoft could pay him enough to say something he didn't want to say. Especially when you consider he owns 4 social media magazines with a combined circulation of over 14 million. I somehow don't think he's exactly hurting for money.

Regards,
SB

That's pretty libelous. Kinda sickening to know some of actions of my fellow posters after 11 years on this board. I feel dirty.

Xbox One isn't the only one getting major announcements at E3. Microsoft has a big announcement for Xbox 360 too...

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/24/4361844/microsoft-xbox-360-sales-target-e3-huge-announcement

They think they can sell 1.25 million Xbox 360 consoles every quarter for the next 5 years. Xbox 360 Mini confirmation? That will give them a total of 100 million console sales over its lifetime. Evidently they're still bullish. I'm not real sure they still have it in them myself, but I guess we'll see.

Tommy McClain
 
Actually, I'd prefer 720P with a good quality antialias over 1080P with none. I'm hoping most games don't give up 2x of their 6-8x power improvement just for pushing twice as many pixels, there are so many more interesting things they could do with that power.

I'm right there with ya. Not many got to see the BF4 gameplay footage in native 720p on the 360 dashboard when it was briefly put online, but I did and it was absolutely, without hestitation the best IQ I'd ever seen. Yes, at 720p. Not a single jagged edge, zero pixels flickering, everything was crystal clear and razor sharp. If PS4's power will be primarily used to try eeking out visual fidelity from frame resolution superority that just won't work out in its favor at all. I have suspicions that MS knows the highly diminished returns that hits frame res around 900p or so. The display planes seem to suggest they are well aware of this. Their analogous MSR studies on foveated rendering bear that out to a tee.




There's a certain perception, whether valid or not, that MS is forcing you to pay for Kinect and TV features, which you may not be interested in using (or paying for, which would be a kick, to pay to change your TV channels).

The price they're going to charge is going to be determined partly by the cost for Kinect and the non-gaming features. Or they could have delivered more gaming performance for the same price if not for Kinect and the other stuff.

No need to feel betrayed. There's competition, not just from other consoles but other electronic toys.

It will be interesting from a social psychology pov to see how connotations adjust, if at all, when Sony comes out with a similar used games policy and a similar always online concept and ships a camera in every box. IF that happens, it will be fun watching the mass displays of complete cognitive dissonance play out.





That's not really what he said. In context, he clearly seems to be discussing the console generation as whole, which would include the PS4 and Wii U:

Yeah well the numbers guy Greenberg disagrees with Yusef. I'll give MS credit. They astounded everyone when claiming they felt the industry as a whole would expand to reach a billion ppl playing games back in 2005. Turns out they seem to have been on the money there. Greenberg feels next gen will likely top out at around 350mil iirc. Still, that's huge growth.




You mean than show them a box? Yeah I suppose there is, maybe showing them what's inside the box? Nah, wouldn't be prudent.

As Dave noted, they actually did a great job with this, whether anyone online wants to give them credit for it or not. And the other venues I think he was referring to was E3. These boxes both have too much to show at a single showing. They both want core gamers, casuals, mediaphiles, and general tech geeks to be buzzing over what they show/announce. MS opted to announce their vision of the general, broad platform as well as feed the tech geeks first. They wanted to get the mediaphiles excited and I think they did. At E3 they will focus on core and casual gaming.

All the clerical bullshit will be out of the way, used game stuff is being cleared up before the show, so at E3 all that's left is a show for gamers. That's the smart move imho. It's annoying right now for some of us, sure. But it's the best approach not only from a sales pitch pov but also for gamers. Think about it, come E3 Sony will need to talk about Vita, their 3 big PS3 games for 2013, their OS and media features, their marketplace, the camera tech, maybe even Move too...all before really digging into the games themselves. If the choice is between broad reveal with negative press early vs narrow reveal with pissed off gamers later I choose the former 10 times outta 10. Ultimately gamers will get over their qualms and the hysteria once they see amazing games they wanna play. Sony may have to make unpopular announcements after showing their games, and that's never helpful.
 
Microsoft confirmed that you need an internet connection to use your console. Bad
Microsoft confirmed that every game will have to be activated. Bad (deal breaker)
Microsoft confirmed that Kinect will always watch you. Bad
Microsoft have spend money on building another TV solution that relies on a IR blaster and is aimed at the USA. But everyone has to pay for that added hardware and software. BAD
Microsoft confirmed that the specs are 25-50% weaker than the PS4. Bad

Positives: Blu-Ray drive, Windows 8 apps, a proper design that wont cause RROD disasters,
I'm willing to bet actual money that the first two will be identical for the PS4. The third one is untrue. The fourth is untrue, IR Blasters work globally, and Microsoft specifically called out global tv support. And the fifth is speculation, wasn't "confirmed" at all.
 
....All the clerical bullshit will be out of the way, used game stuff is being cleared up before the show, so at E3 all that's left is a show for gamers. That's the smart move imho. It's annoying right now for some of us, sure. But it's the best approach not only from a sales pitch pov but also for gamers. Think about it, come E3 Sony will need to talk about Vita, their 3 big PS3 games for 2013, their OS and media features, their marketplace, the camera tech, maybe even Move too...all before really digging into the games themselves. If the choice is between broad reveal with negative press early vs narrow reveal with pissed off gamers later I choose the former 10 times outta 10. Ultimately gamers will get over their qualms and the hysteria once they see amazing games they wanna play. Sony may have to make unpopular announcements after showing their games, and that's never helpful.



good points. as I said maybe I'm getting too old for the silliness and impatience... they have a plan let's see how it unfolds, they have 6 mos to get there but everyone is screaming "are we there yet!" yes... will be interesting to see how much Sony ends up aligning with some of these complaints in the end as well. although I think they can afford to be more fluid with their plan if they see their base going sideways
 
I'm willing to bet actual money that the first two will be identical for the PS4. The third one is untrue. The fourth is untrue, IR Blasters work globally, and Microsoft specifically called out global tv support. And the fifth is speculation, wasn't "confirmed" at all.

Sony will get the same anger if they do the exact same thing as Microsoft with used games, it's a deal breaker for many gamers, and it should be, and i hope the EU will make case of this and sue some sense into Sony and Microsoft.

I thought the Kinect had to be connected and it was always on? How can it start the XBOX1 with with a voice command if it isn't listening?

IR blasters work everywhere, but it's not everywhere that it's feasible to use the XBOX1 as Microsoft envisioned Eurogamer had a good piece on that. In my home it's completely useless and it's not a cheap feature to implement, but i would have to "pay". It's like taking 1 step forward and 10 backwards, TV is on many platforms, the BOXES are dying, in sweden and denmark services let you plug your decoder card in the TV, no silly boxes. Many cable providers don't have a box at all and just provides a cable with the package you subscribed to.

They confirmed the specs except Clock rate.
 
as I said maybe I'm getting too old for the silliness and impatience...

I honestly didn't think the silliness this generation could possibly out do the silliness from last gen's launch fallout, and I seem to remember lamenting the state of conversations on Beyond3D during that time.

I think those that are using the specs (rumored or real) to declare a winner in this generation of entertainment devices should take a quick look at the comments on this very site from the time when PS3 and 360 specs were known 8 years ago. It's all so familiar.
 
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