MGS4 realtime demonstration by Kojima
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Another interesting quote from magicbox:
http://www.the-magicbox.com/0509/game050917e.shtml
"Here are some new images of Konami's Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence.
Set in the heat of the Cold War era when spy activity was at its apogee, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater depicts survival missions in the jungles of 1964 Russia.
The title sold 3.6 million copies worldwide since its 2004 debut..."
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So MGS3 sold quite well despite a slow start. Good!
http://www.the-magicbox.com/0509/game050917e.shtml
"Here are some new images of Konami's Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence.
Set in the heat of the Cold War era when spy activity was at its apogee, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater depicts survival missions in the jungles of 1964 Russia.
The title sold 3.6 million copies worldwide since its 2004 debut..."
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So MGS3 sold quite well despite a slow start. Good!
Mefisutoferesu
Regular
It only sold poorly in the US. In Japan and Europe it sold really really well from the get go. I'm quite excited for Subsitence, Persitence, and Exisitence. I think this'll be the 1st time a 3 disc game was ever released... ah, no Xenosaga II. Anyway, very excited.
By the way, Subsistence, Persistence, Existence. SPE LOL, Kojima strikes again.
By the way, Subsistence, Persistence, Existence. SPE LOL, Kojima strikes again.
1up seems to have removed the demonstration video 
But I have the link and it still works somehow
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/mgs4_kojima_realtime_demo_1500k.zip
As requested in the other thread by Mefisutoferesu here's a transcription of what they say at the beginning in this clip.
Oh, and clips of the other day of the show are in.
http://www.geocities.jp/tgs_data/R0018114.mpg
You can clearly see the demo scene is really picked from the actual trailer. They zoom up Otacon, and prove it realtime by shifting the light source. Do you notice the strange graininess when they zoom Otacon's face too close? They say they simulate pixels in the LCD display of the robot! Clearly they intend to use these models in the actual game.
http://www.geocities.jp/tgs_data/R0018096.mpg
This is from another scene with Snake. They zoom in on Snake's bodysuit, on which you can read small letters and recognize Otacon's mark. Maniac details.
But I have the link and it still works somehow
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/mgs4_kojima_realtime_demo_1500k.zip
As requested in the other thread by Mefisutoferesu here's a transcription of what they say at the beginning in this clip.
After this, the system programmer starts to shift the light source.
Oh, and clips of the other day of the show are in.
http://www.geocities.jp/tgs_data/R0018114.mpg
You can clearly see the demo scene is really picked from the actual trailer. They zoom up Otacon, and prove it realtime by shifting the light source. Do you notice the strange graininess when they zoom Otacon's face too close? They say they simulate pixels in the LCD display of the robot!
Clearly they intend to use these models in the actual game.http://www.geocities.jp/tgs_data/R0018096.mpg
This is from another scene with Snake. They zoom in on Snake's bodysuit, on which you can read small letters and recognize Otacon's mark. Maniac details.
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mckmas8808
Legend
one said:As requested in the other thread by Mefisutoferesu here's a transcription of what they say at the beginning in this clip.
After this, the system programmer starts to shift the light source.
Oh, and clips of the other day of the show are in.
http://www.geocities.jp/tgs_data/R0018114.mpg
You can clearly see the demo scene is really picked from the actual trailer. They zoom up Otacon, and prove it realtime by shifting the light source. Do you notice the strange graininess when they zoom Otacon's face too close? They say they simulate pixels in the LCD display of the robot!
This is from another scene with Snake. They zoom in on Snake's bodysuit, on which you can read small letters and recognize Otacon's mark. Maniac details.
Man you gotta love the detais. I think it's crazy (in a good way) that the video on the LCD monitor is not a video yet calculated in real-time.
And did you see the words on the suit? OMG!! It's in the details. I might just call Mr. Kojima, Mr. Detail from now on.
Yeah, and there won't be scenes in realtime cutscenes where you can zoom in like that. Yet it has such details. Did they create those detailed models just to wow the world in the days of TGS? Or will actual game reuse those models? I think the former just doesn't make sense from the point of production cost overall.mckmas8808 said:Man you gotta love the detais. I think it's crazy (in a good way) that the video on the LCD monitor is not a video yet calculated in real-time.
And did you see the words on the suit? OMG!! It's in the details. I might just call Mr. Kojima, Mr. Detail from now on.
mckmas8808
Legend
one said:
And won't MGS3: Subtentiance come with a user control mode to use during real-time cutscenes? Since he's adding things from MGS3:Sub maybe he will add that into MGS4?
Laa-Yosh said:
Isn't it PCI-E? If it was PCI they'd need to get a redone 7800 card from Nvidia (or some board partner), which seems like a lot more work than its worth. 640*360 doesn't make much sense when you look at the screenshots and that HD 4 sec vid (or any of the cam vids for that matter) -- no amount of AA could make 640*360 look that good on a several foot large screen.
PCI-E of course.
As for MGS, resize the images in Photoshop for yourself. Some lines with high contrast are very very strange looking... Otacon's shot is a good example, the jaggies are larger than 1 pixel at 1280*720. Nevertheless, when rescaling from a lower res in Photoshop I couldn't get the same result, but it's obviously not the highest quality scaling filter either... 640*360 is probably too small, but it might not be 1280*720 either.
Look at Blizzard's wallpapers from the War3 cinematics. Those are resized from 800*368 to 1600*1200, about 200% - and they still look quite OK:
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/wallpaper/mannaroth/mannaroth-1600x.jpg
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/wallpaper/hellscream/hellscream-1600x.jpg
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/wallpaper/worldtree/worldtree-1600x.jpg
As for MGS, resize the images in Photoshop for yourself. Some lines with high contrast are very very strange looking... Otacon's shot is a good example, the jaggies are larger than 1 pixel at 1280*720. Nevertheless, when rescaling from a lower res in Photoshop I couldn't get the same result, but it's obviously not the highest quality scaling filter either... 640*360 is probably too small, but it might not be 1280*720 either.
Look at Blizzard's wallpapers from the War3 cinematics. Those are resized from 800*368 to 1600*1200, about 200% - and they still look quite OK:
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/wallpaper/mannaroth/mannaroth-1600x.jpg
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/wallpaper/hellscream/hellscream-1600x.jpg
http://www.blizzard.com/images/war3/wallpaper/worldtree/worldtree-1600x.jpg
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Otacon seems not be a best example as he'll be in the small LCD most of the time though rendered in realtimeLaa-Yosh said:
As for Blizzard's wallpapers, how can you determine they didn't apply bicubic filters?
Anyway it's basically confirmed the main scenes are rendered in 720p and as Bobbler suggests it'll look good even if in 320x180.
You get me wrong, I'm talking about how the artifacts from the resizing of the images are probably the most evident on this screenshot:
http://222.122.42.70/tgs/16/ps3/ruliweb_mgs4_09.jpg
It's because it has white/dark colored parts near each other, so the contrast is high on the edges, and it's clear that the jaggies are larger than 1 pixel. Thus the image doesn't seems to be 720p but something less, it has been resized from either 1024*576 or something even lower. How the character will appear in the game is irrelevant here...
http://222.122.42.70/tgs/16/ps3/ruliweb_mgs4_09.jpg
It's because it has white/dark colored parts near each other, so the contrast is high on the edges, and it's clear that the jaggies are larger than 1 pixel. Thus the image doesn't seems to be 720p but something less, it has been resized from either 1024*576 or something even lower. How the character will appear in the game is irrelevant here...
one said:
They've obviously applied some filter, what I've said is that it's better than what's available in Photoshop. For example our studio has used some fractal rescaler to put the first movie they've made onto film (before I've come here). That was like 720*400 rescaled to 2048*1200.
We've seen that a LOT with PS3 screenshots. I'm thinking a non-uniform resolution scale as the pixel sizing is less than 2x. Maybe 1.5x. Definitely not true HD fidelity though in everything I've seen.Laa-Yosh said: