What girl power are we talking about? Eowyn does slay the Witch-King in the books, which is the most significant 'girl power' scene in the films, IMO.
LOTR: Return of the King.
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We're going tomorrow; the one thing I'm worried about having seen the trailers is. . .did they keep the Corsairs of Umbar and the Paths of the Dead? So far, Bombadil is the only really major deletion I've noticed. I didn't even mind the elves showing up at Helm's Deep. I'd be upset if they cut the Corsairs tho. . .probably my favorite moment in the books is that fleet coming up river, all is lost, and then the flag unfurls. . .
The Huorns forest is in the Extended TTT DVD and the beginning of the RoTK.
Minor Spoiler.
The Paths of Dead and the Corsairs are there, but no Grey Company, instead Aragorn leads the Army of the Dead to Pelennor.
Honestly some people profess to have read the book and still are ignorant of its most important bits.
No 'Girl Power' in the book indeed. Eowyns lines and actions are lamost word for word from the book.
Complants about sexism are ridiculous. This was written in the 40's and 50's as a mythology for England. Show me any major culture ancient mythlology with empowered women triumphing? Greek mythologu is all about male society puttting dwon woman (notice a lot of monsters are women mutated or leading men astary).
Minor Spoiler.
The Paths of Dead and the Corsairs are there, but no Grey Company, instead Aragorn leads the Army of the Dead to Pelennor.
Honestly some people profess to have read the book and still are ignorant of its most important bits.
No 'Girl Power' in the book indeed. Eowyns lines and actions are lamost word for word from the book.
Complants about sexism are ridiculous. This was written in the 40's and 50's as a mythology for England. Show me any major culture ancient mythlology with empowered women triumphing? Greek mythologu is all about male society puttting dwon woman (notice a lot of monsters are women mutated or leading men astary).
True but understandable. She did make Aragorn his banner in the books, and the story of the two of them is in the appendices, so to give the film its love interest and to make Aragorns rejection of Eowyn clearer Jackson beefed up Arwens role.
At least he didnt have her fighting at Helms Deep
even though he filmed it!
Replacing Glorfindel with her at the Fords of Bruin is also an understandable filmic change IMO. He is a very extraneous character. The animated version had Legolas as the Elf who bears Frodo to the Fords for example.
At least he didnt have her fighting at Helms Deep
even though he filmed it!Replacing Glorfindel with her at the Fords of Bruin is also an understandable filmic change IMO. He is a very extraneous character. The animated version had Legolas as the Elf who bears Frodo to the Fords for example.
Yep, most of what they did with Arwen was move her story from off-stage to onstage. I also think while it would have been really cool to see Glorfindel revealed as an elf-lord in all his glory, as they say in the book it does make perfect sense to cut him from a filmmakers's perspective.
Randell said:
Ah. Yeah, I got the feeling that the Grey Company would go the way of Elrond's sons. . .a pity tho. I suppose from a movie perspective it increases Aragon's importance and isolation. From a believability perspective I liked the role the Grey Company played, sort of the court-in-exile, last of the Imperial Guard, watching and waiting for the right moment, etc. Kings in exile always have their small group of hard core adherents dreaming of a restoration.
what annoys me most about the "why is arwen in the book lots" brigade. is that the story of elf gives up immortality for love is both in the appendices, in the silmarilian .. and most of all ( from what i'm lead to believe) pretty much the first thing tolkien wrote !
anyways, film might not be perfect , but darned close . w.r.t. simplifiing the characters , remember we can't flip the film back a few pages thinking "who the bl**dy hell is this again???"
-dave-
though not arwen/aragorn, but erm some other two characters ,, and in a poem ( i fink),, and this was on a tv programme fronted by rory-mcgrath, so might not be accurate
aha!interesting link on the subject....
http://halldvd.com/store/dvd_B00009...Platinum-Series-Special-Extended-Edition.html
anyways, film might not be perfect , but darned close
. w.r.t. simplifiing the characters , remember we can't flip the film back a few pages thinking "who the bl**dy hell is this again???"-dave-
though not arwen/aragorn, but erm some other two characters ,, and in a poem ( i fink),, and this was on a tv programme fronted by rory-mcgrath, so might not be accurate
aha!interesting link on the subject....
http://halldvd.com/store/dvd_B00009...Platinum-Series-Special-Extended-Edition.html
Matrix revolutions was the third in the other big trilogy . Lord of the rings is third in a big trilogy. Lord of the rings shows how to do it right. They also insisted before matrix bombed that it would do much more than rotk because of movie lengths .RaDiKaL said:Beautiful movie. But jvd, why are you insisting on this Revolutions vs. ROTK box office comparison? What does The Matrix has to do with LOTR ?
Merry Christmas everyone !
It had the third largest opening day ever. Behind spiderman that opened on a friday and reloaded that opened on a thursday. They are also saying it may become the 5th highest grossing movie of all time and knock out spiderman perhaps even knocking out star wars eps 1 .
Which is great considering it has over a full hour of screen time more than those
Ummmm...not?John Reynolds said:
I'd have to argue that Merry killed it. Her sword merely broke upon its head.
Of course, this passage is certainly open for interpretation - but i'd say the last line unequivocably says that Merry killed it - "No other blade would have ... [broken] the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will."
It was pure luck that she defeated him. Merry stabbed him in the back, and she finished him off. She was obviously on the losing end until Merry did his thing.
My "cheeziest cinema battle" moment was when they raced under the Oliphant and she chopped its hamstrings and brought it down.
My "cheeziest cinema battle" moment was when they raced under the Oliphant and she chopped its hamstrings and brought it down.
pax said:
Trained to fight what? All she said was she trained with a blade herself. I do not recall ever hearing she was trained by any warrior. Even if she were trained i highly doubt she'd have any experience fighting the the Oliphants let alone any soldier of Rohan.
Whether she was trained as a warrior is hardly the point. Eliphants, the real life model for the Oliphant, have extremely tough skin. Infact Africans had to develope special tools for throwing spears hard enough to penetrate the hides of such animals. Suggesting she cut its hamstrings with a glancing blow with one arm while riding a horse is ludicrous.
They are often highly imbelished and mythical tales.
Oh ya that bit was embellished but so was anyone fighting those giant elephants... Tho they did kill a lot of rohanian warriors... it would take a lot of spears to take one down yea...
Joan of arc comes to mind anyway and sure some tales may be exaggerated tho I don think all are. And I know some chicks I would rather not fight hhe...
Joan of arc comes to mind anyway and sure some tales may be exaggerated tho I don think all are. And I know some chicks I would rather not fight hhe...
Eowyn was an accomplished rider as were all the Rohirrim, as well as being an accomplished shield-maiden. The Rohirrim spent so much time on horseback that they were even known as the "Horse Lords of Rohan." Eowyn spent her whole youth listening to the war stories of old warriors in their cups. She would have heard dozens of tales of Orcs getting in among the horses and going for a hamstring, tales that emphasized how deadly that was for a mounted warrior. Most of those tales would have ended with the rider's escape, but she would have heard some tales of how a friend had fallen to that very attack.
Fast forward to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and Eowyn finds herself unhorsed and sees her enemy on Olifants. Given all the exaggerated tales of hamstringing she's likely heard what else is she going to try? It makes more sense for her to try it than an experienced warrior. She's young and strong and knows the stories better than reality.
Fast forward to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and Eowyn finds herself unhorsed and sees her enemy on Olifants. Given all the exaggerated tales of hamstringing she's likely heard what else is she going to try? It makes more sense for her to try it than an experienced warrior. She's young and strong and knows the stories better than reality.
