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This "factor" is very simple. These people who already have HDTV's are early adopters. Hence, they will not hesitate at all to upgrade to yet a newer generation HDTV that does support HDMI (the old one simply goes to a different room to play DVD's or X360). If there is already a PS3 in the house, then they are rightly setup for HD playback at that point. Not a big deal. BR is already in the house...no need to buy another $1000 HD-DVD player. Instead they could just buy, what, 40 BR movies? Sounds like teh win to me! :rolleyes:
 
Miscalculation by Microsoft

randycat99 said:
This "factor" is very simple. These people who already have HDTV's are early adopters. Hence, they will not hesitate at all to upgrade to yet a newer generation HDTV that does support HDMI (the old one simply goes to a different room to play DVD's or X360). If there is already a PS3 in the house, then they are rightly setup for HD playback at that point. Not a big deal. BR is already in the house...no need to buy another $1000 HD-DVD player. Instead they could just buy, what, 40 BR movies? Sounds like teh win to me! :rolleyes:

No HDMI or 1080P and next-gen media format support are a mistakes by Microsoft and by 2007 its basic DVD drive will be as relevant to consumer purchase decision as GameCubes mini-disc drive was in this gen.
 
ihamoitc2005 said:
No HDMI or 1080P and next-gen media format support are a mistakes by Microsoft and by 2007 its basic DVD drive will be as relevant to consumer purchase decision as GameCubes mini-disc drive was in this gen.

I disagree on HDMI but agree that Microsoft will need some sort of 'Solution' to the lower capacity optical disc. We'll have to wait and see if this does, in fact, become a limitation but i see where it CAN be one and dont see an obvious way around it besides multiple discs. I'm sure MS must have some idea on how they will deal with it if it becomes a problem but its certainly not obvious to me.

J
 
Cost cutting.

expletive said:
I disagree on HDMI but agree that Microsoft will need some sort of 'Solution' to the lower capacity optical disc. We'll have to wait and see if this does, in fact, become a limitation but i see where it CAN be one and dont see an obvious way around it besides multiple discs. I'm sure MS must have some idea on how they will deal with it if it becomes a problem but its certainly not obvious to me.

J


It sounds like simple cost-cutting. They made many good design decisions but also some near-sighted (?) decisions.
 
ihamoitc2005 said:
It sounds like simple cost-cutting. They made many good design decisions but also some near-sighted (?) decisions.

I think only time will tell but it will be interesting to see if using DVD9 was really 'their plan' or if they had no choice because of their desire to launch holiday 2005, where clearly theres no decent amount of HD-DVD hardware available.

How they handle the limitation (again, time will tell if it ends up being a limitation) going forward should probably shed some light on why the decision was made. I cant believe that MS would jeopardize the whole generation simply to save a few bucks on hardware tho...

J
 
expletive said:
I think only time will tell but it will be interesting to see if using DVD9 was really 'their plan' or if they had no choice because of their desire to launch holiday 2005, where clearly theres no decent amount of HD-DVD hardware available.

How they handle the limitation (again, time will tell if it ends up being a limitation) going forward should probably shed some light on why the decision was made. I cant believe that MS would jeopardize the whole generation simply to save a few bucks on hardware tho...

J


Honestly expletive I think they had no choice because they wanted to launch Christmas 2005. Nothing wrong with that, but their are disadvantages and DVD9 is one of them.
 
randycat99 said:
This "factor" is very simple. These people who already have HDTV's are early adopters. Hence, they will not hesitate at all to upgrade to yet a newer generation HDTV that does support HDMI (the old one simply goes to a different room to play DVD's or X360). If there is already a PS3 in the house, then they are rightly setup for HD playback at that point. Not a big deal. BR is already in the house...no need to buy another $1000 HD-DVD player. Instead they could just buy, what, 40 BR movies? Sounds like teh win to me! :rolleyes:

I have a hdtv and i'm in no rush to upgrade to a new hdtv and spend anothe 2 grand so i can watch hd-tv media that i can't watch on my current hd-tv .

This is going to be a big sticking point and is going to cause alot of people to get pissed . Why ? Cause there haven't been early adopters of hd-tv for 3 years or so now . mabye in 2001 you had a point , but its 2005 and hd-tv has been on the market for many years .

The standard itself is stupid . There are to many modes of support and to many inputs and its muddyed the water .

As for your pricing who says a hd-dvd be 1k ? For that mater then what would u rather buy a 1k ps3 or a 400$ xbox 360 ? If you want to make up stupid prices lets play the game .

not only that but u have a bluray ps3 now . Its on your hdtv . You go to bestbuy and you see a dvd movie for 15$ or a bluray movie for 25-30$ You can watch the bluray movie on your ps3 in your living room say but u can watch the dvd on your bedroom tv , your sons tv , the dens tv and any other tvs that u put a 20$ dvd player on .

Muddy the water further and you can buy a ps3 for 400$ , a xbox 360 for 300$ and a hd-dvd player for 400$ . Sure your paying 300$ more for the xbox and hd-dvd player but then you go into a store and u see that hd-dvd / dvd disc there for the price of a bluray disc but hey guess what , you only have to buy that one disc and paly it on all the tvs in your house .

When you factor in the cost of the media and having to buy 2 versions to watch it on any tv in your house vs 1 version and the xbox 360 / hd-dvd would be cheaper .

Many people are going to go with what has the movies they want at the prices they want , its that simple .
 
ihamoitc2005 said:
No HDMI or 1080P and next-gen media format support are a mistakes by Microsoft and by 2007 its basic DVD drive will be as relevant to consumer purchase decision as GameCubes mini-disc drive was in this gen.

I agree on hdmi , but 1080p is a non factor . By the time tvs come out in quanity and hit a mass market price we will be talking about the xbox 3 and the ps4 .

Next your going to tell me that dual monitor support is a big mistake .
 
As for your pricing who says a hd-dvd be 1k ? For that mater then what would u rather buy a 1k ps3 or a 400$ xbox 360 ? If you want to make up stupid prices lets play the game .

Toshiba themselves have said that the first HD-DVD players will probably come out between $900 and $1000. They said it themselves. Now of course the price will come down, but how fast and how much is the question.

jvd said:
I agree on hdmi , but 1080p is a non factor . By the time tvs come out in quanity and hit a mass market price we will be talking about the xbox 3 and the ps4 .

That's something that you just don't know. So 1080p TVs won't be a factor until 2010? I don't know but lets at least wait 2 to 3 years before we jump on that horse ok?
 
jvd said:
I have a hdtv and i'm in no rush to upgrade to a new hdtv and spend anothe 2 grand so i can watch hd-tv media that i can't watch on my current hd-tv .

Naturally, you will be left out then. I don't imagine the market waiting to do whatever "jvd" does.

This is going to be a big sticking point and is going to cause alot of people to get pissed .

Not really, since they already had in mind to flipover existing TV's in the house to HDTV already.

Cause there haven't been early adopters of hd-tv for 3 years or so now . mabye in 2001 you had a point , but its 2005 and hd-tv has been on the market for many years .

Most certainly they are early adopters. It's been a protracted early adoption period, but early adopter period, nonetheless. The argument has already been made that HDTV has yet to penetrate the mainstream, so there's no point in turning right around to argue we are not in the early adopter period.

The standard itself is stupid . There are to many modes of support and to many inputs and its muddyed the water .

I'm sorry you have sour grapes. You bought your first and seemingly "only" HDTV too soon. That's your own deal, to be sure.

As for your pricing who says a hd-dvd be 1k ?

CE precedence already exists for standalone players. See the origin of VCR's. See the origin of DVD players. See the origin of CD players for that matter. Don't forget laser disc players...

For that mater then what would u rather buy a 1k ps3 or a 400$ xbox 360 ? If you want to make up stupid prices lets play the game .

CE precedence already exists for console machines. There is no $1k PS3. There will likely be one at $300-$400, though.

not only that but u have a bluray ps3 now . Its on your hdtv . You go to bestbuy and you see a dvd movie for 15$ or a bluray movie for 25-30$ You can watch the bluray movie on your ps3 in your living room say but u can watch the dvd on your bedroom tv , your sons tv , the dens tv and any other tvs that u put a 20$ dvd player on .

This is akin to crying over spilled milk. You want the BR version to play on your primary system, buy it. You want the DVD to play on your secondary system, buy it. If there is a hybrid version to play on either system, you buy it. It's your choice. Hell, buy another PS3 for $400, if it pains you so bad to not have BR playback elsewhere in the house. This issue is hardly going to stop anyone in their tracks.

Muddy the water further and you can buy a ps3 for 400$ , a xbox 360 for 300$ and a hd-dvd player for 400$ . Sure your paying 300$ more for the xbox and hd-dvd player but then you go into a store and u see that hd-dvd / dvd disc there for the price of a bluray disc but hey guess what , you only have to buy that one disc and paly it on all the tvs in your house .

You'll be waiting at least another 2-3 years to get that $400 standalone player. Sorry. Your point simply does not hold water.

When you factor in the cost of the media and having to buy 2 versions to watch it on any tv in your house vs 1 version and the xbox 360 / hd-dvd would be cheaper .

...except you'll be waiting 2-3 years to get that $400 standalone player, so your point is clearly wishful thinking. Shouldn't you be promoting HVD, anyway? We all saw you give up on the HD-DVD push some time ago, and it seems you have turned around to defend it once again. It's kind of silly. Only a few weeks ago, you were convinced both would fail as formats, anyway, and you didn't really care how either would do from that point.

Many people are going to go with what has the movies they want at the prices they want , its that simple .

The rest of the world seems to have agreed that "what" is looking more and more like BR. We'll keep the light on when you catch up with the world...
 
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