Koei on Ps3 Costs

[ecliptic]

I don't know why people expect the PS3 to be $400ish. I would guess up towards $500 or $600. A Blu-ray DVD player alone will cost $400ish.

Hell we already pay more than the equivalent of $70 here in the UK!

Um blame your country's stupid VATs and taxes.

But look at the Time Splitters games, they feel just like GE/PD. They even have the same health bar as GE. I see those as the true successor to the first 2 games. The new PD just doesn't seem the same.

PS, Chris Tilston was the gameplay programmer for Killer Instinct 1/2 arcade. Most people say the series was a horrible, but I like them.

Are you going to try to argue that Halo 2 isn't the sequel to Halo because Halo 2 has a different shield bar and no health bars?

It's called advancing the game instead of letting it stagnate.

 

[Mordecaii]

No offense ecliptic, but the PS3 won't be 500 or 600 dollars... The price of a standalone BD player really has very little relevance here since Sony will be using the PS3 to get high market penetration with BD players, and also since this is first and foremost a video game console (no matter how much Kutaragi wants to say it's a computer) they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they released it at such a high price when people could get a comparable console for much less. I guarantee that Sony learned with the PSX that just because something has quite a few more features, it does NOT guarantee that it will sell well at a much higher price.

 

[ecliptic]

No offense ecliptic, but the PS3 won't be 500 or 600 dollars... The price of a standalone BD player really has very little relevance here since Sony will be using the PS3 to get high market penetration with BD players, and also since this is first and foremost a video game console (no matter how much Kutaragi wants to say it's a computer) they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they released it at such a high price when people could get a comparable console for much less. I guarantee that Sony learned with the PSX that just because something has quite a few more features, it does NOT guarantee that it will sell well at a much higher price.

I think you under estimate Sony's arrogance. Sony won't learn any kind of lesson till they attempt it themselves.

Having a console with a BD player that costs as much or even cheaper than standalone BD players will kill the BD market. No other company will want to ever release a BD player because they would have to compete against that price. Which will echo through the rest of the market. DVD publishers will think twice about bringing out BDs when there is only a single Blu-ray manufacturer on the market (Sony).

 

[ihamoitc2005]

No economic sense.

I think you under estimate Sony's arrogance. Sony won't learn any kind of lesson till they attempt it themselves.

Having a console with a BD player that costs as much or even cheaper than standalone BD players will kill the BD market. No other company will want to ever release a BD player because they would have to compete against that price. Which will echo through the rest of the market. DVD publishers will think twice about bringing out BDs when there is only a single Blu-ray manufacturer on the market (Sony).

That analysis is not economically sensible my friend. Sony will sell Millions of BD drives next year, which will make DVD publishers flock to publish BDs because millions more own BD drives compared to HD-DVD. Sony alone will publish many many BD titles annually. If Xbox360 had HD-DVD, despite being inferior format, it might have had a chance, but with no other avenue for large installed base, it is uphill battle.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think you under estimate Sony's arrogance. Sony won't learn any kind of lesson till they attempt it themselves.

Having a console with a BD player that costs as much or even cheaper than standalone BD players will kill the BD market. No other company will want to ever release a BD player because they would have to compete against that price. Which will echo through the rest of the market. DVD publishers will think twice about bringing out BDs when there is only a single Blu-ray manufacturer on the market (Sony).

You are currently showing your ignorance on the subject. Just listen the other two guys trying to educate you.

Thanks.

 

[<nu>faust]

That analysis is not economically sensible my friend. Sony will sell Millions of BD drives next year, which will make DVD publishers flock to publish BDs because millions more own BD drives compared to HD-DVD. Sony alone will publish many many BD titles annually. If Xbox360 had HD-DVD, despite being inferior format, it might have had a chance, but with no other avenue for large installed base, it is uphill battle.

if implemeting blu-ray in ps3 will rise its production cost to $500+,there will a limit to that economic sensibility that you guys are talking about ,sony can't handle losing over $150+ per console and sell tens of millions of them when nobody can really foresee the future of future of optic disc formats.

Half of hollywood studios have already announced their plans of publishing all of their movies in in hd-dvd format.What if sony and toshiba agrees on a format in 2007? What if the consumers wont adapt blu-ray even if it proves itself as the winner like super-audio format? How sony is gonna get their lost billions back then?

Lets be realistic here, no matter what happens with the movie industry ,the production costs of including a dvd/bluray combo drive in a ps3 is extremely important to sony and will be a crucial factor in success of ps3.

 

[mckmas8808]

Lets be realistic here, no matter what happens with the movie industry ,the production costs of including a dvd/bluray combo drive in a ps3 is extremely important to sony and will be a crucial factor in success of ps3.

Thanks for being realistic. No matter how anybody sees this your realistic vision is a pretty good one.

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Point?

if implemeting blu-ray in ps3 will rise its production cost to $500+,there will a limit to that economic sensibility that you guys are talking about ,sony can't handle losing over $150+ per console and sell tens of millions of them when nobody can really foresee the future of future of optic disc formats.

Half of hollywood studios have already announced their plans of publishing all of their movies in in hd-dvd format.What if sony and toshiba agrees on a format in 2007? What if the consumers wont adapt blu-ray even if it proves itself as the winner like super-audio format? How sony is gonna get their lost billions back then?

Lets be realistic here, no matter what happens with the movie industry ,the production costs of including a dvd/bluray combo drive in a ps3 is extremely important to sony and will be a crucial factor in success of ps3.

The manufacturing cost of blu-ray drive is not relevant to retail price of PS3 just as manufacturing cost was not relevant to retail price of PS2, Xbox, or Gamecube. Console price is determined by market and within that price it is for console manufacturer to figure out how to make profit, what features to include, or even if to enter market at all.

If PS3 sells half as many units as PS2 in first year, consumers will have adopted blu-ray format and blu-ray will become standard format. Hardware determines software not the other way around. Publishers will publish to the dominant format or else lose market share in high-definition media sales.

The real growth in high-definition media format will come in 2007 when HDTV prices are more affordable and many millions more consumers will have blu-ray drives (PS3). By then external blu-ray drives will be very affordable as well. As for optical disc format for publishing, the success of it is ensured due to optical disc media has easily lowest cost/MB.

 

[Sis]

If PS3 sells half as many units as PS2 in first year, consumers will have adopted blu-ray format and blu-ray will become standard format. Hardware determines software not the other way around. Publishers will publish to the dominant format or else lose market share in high-definition media sales.

No. It is perfectly within the realm of possiblility that the PS3 may be more successful as a console than the PS2 and yet Blu-ray may fail as a standard storage format.

Gamecube has how many units sold? 20 million? That market segment is non-trivial yet I see no one else using that small disc format for anything.

.Sis

 

[randycat99]

The impetus for a smaller capacity and slower throughput disc medium isn't particularly compelling as a replacement for DVD, let alone a successor to DVD.

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Perspective ...

No. It is perfectly within the realm of possiblility that the PS3 may be more successful as a console than the PS2 and yet Blu-ray may fail as a standard storage format.

Gamecube has how many units sold? 20 million? That market segment is non-trivial yet I see no one else using that small disc format for anything.

.Sis

Perhaps you forgot about DVD format and millions of PS2s and DVD players sold before GameCube was even revealed?

 

[Sis]

Perhaps you forgot about DVD format and millions of PS2s and DVD players sold before GameCube was even revealed?

Perhaps you don't realize that your point that a console has any impact on a medium for storing movies is not founded on any proven facts or correlating evidence?

.Sis

 

[Bobbler]

No. It is perfectly within the realm of possiblility that the PS3 may be more successful as a console than the PS2 and yet Blu-ray may fail as a standard storage format.

Gamecube has how many units sold? 20 million? That market segment is non-trivial yet I see no one else using that small disc format for anything.

.Sis

Was that small disc format actually pushed as a format people should be using? I thought Nintendo started using it (or created it?) because it was small and they could pretty much control piracy with it.

Not that BR somehow couldn't still fail even with 100 million PS3s sold, but the chances are pretty slim at that point.

 

[Sis]

Was that small disc format actually pushed as a format people should be using? I thought Nintendo started using it (or created it?) because it was small and they could pretty much control piracy with it.

Not that BR somehow couldn't still fail even with 100 million PS3s sold, but the chances are pretty slim at that point.

You are concluding a correlation that may be spurious; that an install base of a console has an impact of a side-product's success. The Blu-ray movie medium is a side product of the PS3. The PS3 is built and bought for playing games first, so it would be absolutely unsurprising if people bought it for playing games first, and secondarily, if at all, for playing movies.

Just because Blu-ray achieves a large install base via the PS3, there is no rule that states Blu-ray, as a movie medium, will succeed.

.Sis

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Preconceived notion.

Perhaps you don't realize that your point that a console has any impact on a medium for storing movies is not founded on any proven facts or correlating evidence?

.Sis

Apart from fact that Blu-ray is superior format and PS3 is a very affordable high-end Blu-Ray drive with support for 32:9 extra wide-screen at much lower cost than HD-DVD drives there is no reason whatsover to think HD-DVD has any chance of success. With no avenue to increase hardware sales, it has no hope.

 

[Sis]

Apart from fact that Blu-ray is superior format and PS3 is a very affordable high-end Blu-Ray drive with support for 32:9 extra wide-screen at much lower cost than HD-DVD drives there is no reason whatsover to think HD-DVD has any chance of success. With no avenue to increase hardware sales, it has no hope.

Ok.

.Sis

 

[randycat99]

Just because Blu-ray achieves a large install base via the PS3, there is no rule that states Blu-ray, as a movie medium, will succeed.

.Sis

Pervasity of hardware amongst a prime demographic for consumer electronics should be quite adequate.

 

[mckmas8808]

You are concluding a correlation that may be spurious; that an install base of a console has an impact of a side-product's success. The Blu-ray movie medium is a side product of the PS3. The PS3 is built and bought for playing games first, so it would be absolutely unsurprising if people bought it for playing games first, and secondarily, if at all, for playing movies.

Just because Blu-ray achieves a large install base via the PS3, there is no rule that states Blu-ray, as a movie medium, will succeed.

.Sis

Yep just like the PSP with UMD movies oops. Look what we are trying to say is if tens of millions of people buy a PS3 and buy millions of games, maybe just maybe they might also want to buy blu-ray movies on the same machine. Answer this.

If Blu-ray movies outsell the HD-DVD movies 10 to 1, what do you think the HD-DVD movie companies may do? And before you answer the question think about this. Software sells always tend to follow hardware sales.

 

[Reznor007]

Are you going to try to argue that Halo 2 isn't the sequel to Halo because Halo 2 has a different shield bar and no health bars?

It's called advancing the game instead of letting it stagnate.

Of course, the majority of the game is a big advancement over PD, they just use the GE health bars as a nostalgia thing. PD0 to me just seems like MS/Rare capitalizing on a popular franchise when most of the team that made the original so good has nothing to do with it.

Most(all?) of the people that did the work of Halo went on to do Halo2, so it's slightly different. PD0 is the sequel in the technical sense, but gameplay wise I think the TS series will be more along the lines of GE than PD0. IMO anyway...but we're a bit OT now.

 

[a688]

Yep just like the PSP with UMD movies oops. Look what we are trying to say is if tens of millions of people buy a PS3 and buy millions of games, maybe just maybe they might also want to buy blu-ray movies on the same machine. Answer this.

AFAIK, America is the only region that "likes" UMD movies. Also, it isn't a proven thing yet. The format is still new so it could just be a temporary fluke and throughout the lifetime, less and less are sold instead of more and more.

If Blu-ray movies outsell the HD-DVD movies 10 to 1, what do you think the HD-DVD movie companies may do? And before you answer the question think about this. Software sells always tend to follow hardware sales.

It depends. Where the movies sold seperately or bundled with something like the PS3. Just because something sales more doesn't make it the winner .