Koei on Ps3 Costs

[xmu]

Interesting. This is a totally different side of the market that many people don't consider. They think, sony can just bring out a console at a higher price and people will be inerested and all the publishers will automatically automatically support them. The thing is if publishers cdon't think they can make thier money back, they will hesitate to provide supprot.

I completely agree. But I was thinking of the japanese publishers .. they have to publish SOMETHING, and if the Xbox360 doesn't hit it off over there, they might have no other choice than PS3 and perhaps Revolution.

 

[SMOKE]

As a consumer and a gamer of all systems, I am more inclined to go Sony the big N route, for one Devs should know Sony has the LIBRARY, installed base of almost 100 mill. and htere going Backwards compatible 2 gens. THats a plus for me and others in the gaming community. $60 for games will be paid for by consumers ( see Limited Editions this gen) due to graphic whores and solid line up of games. After watching the MGS4 video I wouldnt mind paying $70 for the content Hideo puts into games and his creativity alone makes me shiver, if Sony announces a ZOE 3 for PS3 then MS is gonna have DC nightmares and devs will have sweet xmas's all yr. NO cost to be worried about this is Sony were talking about. You guys should know better than most games will sell if the content is right, Maybe Koei shouldlisten toits consumer and fix there problems from this Gen and come into the next ready for combat, I dont think there were that many dyansties in china to begin with, now there at 5.

 

[Platon]

As a consumer and a gamer of all systems, I am more inclined to go Sony the big N route, for one Devs should know Sony has the LIBRARY, installed base of almost 100 mill. and htere going Backwards compatible 2 gens. THats a plus for me and others in the gaming community. $60 for games will be paid for by consumers ( see Limited Editions this gen) due to graphic whores and solid line up of games. After watching the MGS4 video I wouldnt mind paying $70 for the content Hideo puts into games and his creativity alone makes me shiver, if Sony announces a ZOE 3 for PS3 then MS is gonna have DC nightmares and devs will have sweet xmas's all yr. NO cost to be worried about this is Sony were talking about. You guys should know better than most games will sell if the content is right, Maybe Koei shouldlisten toits consumer and fix there problems from this Gen and come into the next ready for combat, I dont think there were that many dyansties in china to begin with, now there at 5.

Well, I can asuure you that there are many many more that would mind paying 70$ for a game. And it is not Sony that will announce a ZOE3 game, that would be Konami, not? And going by past sales I don't think ZOE is really a system seller and shouldn't be giving nightmares to anyone...

 

[London Geezer]

Hell we already pay more than the equivalent of $70 here in the UK!

 

[Platon]

Hell we already pay more than the equivalent of $70 here in the UK!

Well, I guess we do that here in Sweden as well, but it is a different thing to get a whole market that is used to the 50$ price tag to give 70$ for a game...

 

[a688]

As a consumer and a gamer of all systems, I am more inclined to go Sony the big N route, for one Devs should know Sony has the LIBRARY, installed base of almost 100 mill. and htere going Backwards compatible 2 gens. THats a plus for me and others in the gaming community. $60 for games will be paid for by consumers ( see Limited Editions this gen) due to graphic whores and solid line up of games. After watching the MGS4 video I wouldnt mind paying $70 for the content Hideo puts into games and his creativity alone makes me shiver, if Sony announces a ZOE 3 for PS3 then MS is gonna have DC nightmares and devs will have sweet xmas's all yr. NO cost to be worried about this is Sony were talking about. You guys should know better than most games will sell if the content is right, Maybe Koei shouldlisten toits consumer and fix there problems from this Gen and come into the next ready for combat, I dont think there were that many dyansties in china to begin with, now there at 5.

Sony's install base for the next generation is 0, not almost 100 million. Not all games are worth 50 dollars, let alone 60, or 70. MGS4 would (most likely) be a AAA title where as most games are not and don't warrent the same cost. Also, special editions had additional content not better looking games so I don't see why "graphic whores" would purchase more expensive games or special editions (since they don't have any increase in graphics).

 

[valioso]

Hell we already pay more than the equivalent of $70 here in the UK!

which means that your games will also be even higher, if it becomes $70 in the US, it will raise the price everywhere else as well..

 

[London Geezer]

I'll open a Boicott Videogames Evening Club.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

which means that your games will also be even higher, if it becomes $70 in the US, it will raise the price everywhere else as well..

Unless a heightened US cost is to counteract the losses of a weakened dollar, in essence bring the US price up to what the rest of the world is already paying.

 

[London Geezer]

Unless a heightened US cost is to counteract the losses of a weakened dollar, in essence bring the US price up to what the rest of the world is already paying.

LOL! Fair prices in the UK compared to the US?! Now THAT will never happen.

 

[SMOKE]

Sony's install base for the next generation is 0, not almost 100 million. Not all games are worth 50 dollars, let alone 60, or 70. MGS4 would (most likely) be a AAA title where as most games are not and don't warrent the same cost. Also, special editions had additional content not better looking games so I don't see why "graphic whores" would purchase more expensive games or special editions (since they don't have any increase in graphics).

I think your taking what i said about install based in the wrong direction on which gen. I am referring to this gen install base and you can best bet that atleast half of PS2 owners will cop a PS3. Now you figure half of Ps2 owners or maybe a little less is more than what MS has. And as far as the ZOE 3 issue goes i have never been a fan of the gundam series on the PS2 they play like crap to me and the Nex Gen vid bandai showed at E3 just gave me the itch to try this game out once it is released and same goes for ZOE, can anyone here not say that game controls beautifully for a Mech game out of all the mech games this GEN. MOre so people were impressed with the graphics in ZOE 2. Maybe you should try to pick that game up and play it and from there you can just imagine what possibilties there could be for this game on the PS3. It will move systems if announced by Sony or Konami. Oh and tell me this, WHat launch title do you guys give a flying hoot to get your interest into jumping into the nex gen with the 360. Oh a PGR3 Wow is for just visuals or do you like racing games that really never change yr in and out, and theres like 5 already ou talone this yr. WHats so special on the 360 to make it be a mover at launch, but take note to the library Sony has and the real possibilites of titles that havent been mentioned yet.

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

I think your taking what i said about install based in the wrong direction on which gen. I am referring to this gen install base and you can best bet that atleast half of PS2 owners will cop a PS3.

I wonder if half of the SNES userbase "copped" an N64... Most probably probably "copped" PSXs.

 

[ShootMyMonkey]

2. increased cost of game development - only if you want to create Killzone or MGS4. Or even Gears of War on Xbox360. Duh.

Or anything that's graphically superior and more complex than current-gen titles. With the general userbase out there, that's pretty much a given. Bear in mind also that while a next-gen Dynasty Warriors will surely cost less to produce than Gears of War or MGS4, it's not exactly in the same league. Now if you compared a next-gen Dynasty Warriors to current-gen Dynasty Warriors, you can guarantee that the cost of production will go up.

Gamers are basically pretty stupid and all it ever takes is a single pretty picture to get them drooling... and complaining... Once something has been shown to be technically feasible, the market demands it from everybody. That's why physics became the big thing as soon as everybody saw Half-Life 2. That's why normal mapping will be status quo now that everyone's seen Doom 3. The cycle will repeat with every new gimmick, and with next-gen hardware, certain minimum expectations will pretty much have to be met by anyone who wants to sell their SKUs.

Okay, we might be able to forgive certain things like not having ragdolls in a turn-based RPG, but that's a trivial exception.

Even $50 is a lot when you are aiming to sell lots of consoles, although I think it's a lot more.

Especially now that 360 has its two pricing plans. Compare a $349 or $399 PS3 to 360, and you're sure to see the "core/premium" argument pop up.

 

[SMOKE]

N64 was the best console in its day, I think GoldenEye was my reason for getting it along with MAdden and Donkey Kong Country. Damn GE was the Halo for the 64 i think I played that game more than i played any game period, i ditched school (along with some friends) to play that game, oh the times of the proximty mines.

 

[scooby_dooby]

And yet you think Goldeneye 3 (PD0) is going to suck?

 

[Reznor007]

And yet you think Goldeneye 3 (PD0) is going to suck?

Goldeneye 5 is already out...it's called Time Splitters Future Perfect, and it's been out for months. The team that did Goldeneye left Rare years ago and made their own company. The PD in PD0 is just a license.

 

[scooby_dooby]

PD was the unofficial sequal to Goldeneye, this is the sequal to PD, seems pretty simple to me. Maybe not the same team, but the same developer, it's more than just a license that for sure.

edit - just did some googlin and the Project lead is the same as the original PD, Chris Tilston, as well as the Senior Game Designer, Duncan Botwood.

 

[ihamoitc2005]

drive cost

well the thing is its a fact that hd-dvd is a closer technology to dvd than blu-ray is, so as much as ms's recent statement can be regarded a political move, producing hd-dvd,dvd hybrid is expected to be cheaper and easier than a bluray-dvd combo by most ppl in the industry anyways. The real question is how much cheaper and how easier?

Maybe for other equipment according to Microsoft and Intel statement, but actual combo drive or hybrid drive which reads both HD-DVD and normal DVD will be just as complicated as Blu-Ray and regular DVD since both will need blue laser. Not so much difference between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray no? Only that Blu-Ray more precise due to thinner shield layer hence more capacity.

 

[SMOKE]

And yet you think Goldeneye 3 (PD0) is going to suck?

TO be honest I think its not gonna be heard about after the first 3 weeks, th eHalo 2 Buzz died quite early on most boards or out of peoples mouths. If anything lately from that is the cheating or whatever is going on online. PD0 has to be solid beyond just graphics
, there arent too many games I have beaten this gen that make me want to play thru them again like back in the N64 days and so on. I can name a few but PD0 is not my cup of tea, its a rushed product for one and everyone knows RARE has been pushed to there limits developing games and working there asses off to get things going. How fun is it you think to make Conker and then turn around and develop PD0 in time for launch. If it does come ou tin launch then we can expect some critical bugs and glitches and people on all forums will be nit picking shit most gamers dont even look at or would notice. When some solid gameplay feedback comes from X05 then that will give me a much needed sigh of relief. Also I expect that kind of shit from Sony when it comes to bugs in games or systems at launch lol any of you remember the ebola virus the dreamcast had.

 

[Reznor007]

PD was the unofficial sequal to Goldeneye, this is the sequal to PD, seems pretty simple to me. Maybe not the same team, but the same developer, it's more than just a license that for sure.

edit - just did some googlin and the Project lead is the same as the original PD, Chris Tilston, as well as the Senior Game Designer, Duncan Botwood.

But look at the Time Splitters games, they feel just like GE/PD. They even have the same health bar as GE. I see those as the true successor to the first 2 games. The new PD just doesn't seem the same.

PS, Chris Tilston was the gameplay programmer for Killer Instinct 1/2 arcade. Most people say the series was a horrible, but I like them.