Intel ARC GPUs, Xe Architecture for dGPUs [2022-]

[ILikeFeet]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-announces-arc-b580-at-249-and-arc-b570-gpus-at-219

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-announces-xess-2-with-xess-frame-generation-and-xess-low-latency

So ~4060Ti for $250 (vs $400) and with 12GBs (vs 8GBs).
Looks like a good deal breaker but the drivers situation is unknown as well as how much life is left in 4060Ti to begin with.

not on the 4060Ti's level. this is 10% faster than the 4060

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-unboxing-preview/images/arch61.jpg

 

[fellix]

Yeah it’s pretty bad. Intel has more control overhead than Nvidia and AMD. SIMD16 instead of SIMD32. But not sure that explains such a huge difference in density.

The relatively low L2 size also pushes the density down. AD106 already packs 32MB, although the Xe2 core implementation here gets an impressive 256kB of L1.

 

[trinibwoy]

The relatively low L2 size also pushes the density down. AD106 already packs 32MB, although the Xe2 core implementation here gets an impressive 256kB of L1.

Sure but it doesn’t explain the overall size. If anything B580 should be even smaller given the lack of cache. It’s also just 20 cores vs 24 on the 4060. One difference is that there are 5 render slices on the B580 and only 3 GPCs on the 4060. Wider memory bus as well.

 

[DegustatoR]

not on the 4060Ti's level. this is 10% faster than the 4060

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-unboxing-preview/images/arch61.jpg

I looked at the perf/price chart and thought this is perf improvement, doh.
Still even at 4060 level it can be a good card, depending on drivers and how much time it has before Nv and AMD react.

 

[Cyan]

XeLL, not XeSS-LL
And more specifically, XeSS is SR, XeSS 2 is SR+FG(+optional XeLL to my understanding)

thanks for the clarification. It sounds good, XeLL XeSS XeSS 2, that play on words sounds like it has a soul.

 

[arandomguy]

I looked at the perf/price chart and thought this is perf improvement, doh.
Still even at 4060 level it can be a good card, depending on drivers and how much time it has before Nv and AMD react.

The RTX 4060 comparison is done at 1440p ultra settings. I'm wondering how much of that is exposing the VRAM gap and just how playable it is across both. Intel I believe is only claiming 30fps+ gaming at 1440p ultra for the B580.

In case anyone is wondering you can see more specifics of how Intel's performance comparisons are derived - https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/performance/benchmarks/desktop_1/

 

[Putas]

Sure but it doesn’t explain the overall size. If anything B580 should be even smaller given the lack of cache. It’s also just 20 cores vs 24 on the 4060. One difference is that there are 5 render slices on the B580 and only 3 GPCs on the 4060. Wider memory bus as well.

This leads to quite a disparity in old-school aspects. The B-21 seems to have 80/96 pixel pipelines, while AD107 has 48.

 

[trinibwoy]

This leads to quite a disparity in old-school aspects. The B-21 seems to have 80/96 pixel pipelines, while AD107 has 48.

Yep also Intel gives each core 8 TMUs so that’s 160 TMUs to the 4060’s 96. TDP is also much higher. According to Intel’s numbers B580 is up to 40% faster than the 4060 in some games. That actually makes sense when you look at the raw specs.

 

[Erinyes]

According to Andreas Schilling on X, Tom Peterson said Battlemage was designed with PCIE 5.0 but it wasn't productized -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864263906429940222

 

[homerdog]

According to Andreas Schilling on X, Tom Peterson said Battlemage was designed with PCIE 5.0 but it wasn't productized -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864263906429940222

Good to keep the cost of the boards down if there isn't a benefit from the extra bandwidth. Though I dunno how much more precise the traces and stuff have to be for PCIe5 vs PCIe4. It probably matters if you're already close to selling the things at a loss.

 

[Erinyes]

Good to keep the cost of the boards down if there isn't a benefit from the extra bandwidth. Though I dunno how much more precise the traces and stuff have to be for PCIe5 vs PCIe4. It probably matters if you're already close to selling the things at a loss.

Yep, agreed. And given the performance level, PCIE 4.0 x8 seems plenty.