How Do We Know that the PS3 Will Be 100% Backwards Compatible

[onanie]

There are varying degrees of bc


As for it being mean. I'm tired of newbie trolls posting like they are the second coming and posting stupid meaningless things .

If i wanted to vist a sony forum i would go to psinext or ign.com ps3 forums .

You were once a newbie too.

There are many reasons to believe that PS3 will offer close to perfect backwards compatibility, and it shouldn't have taken so many iterations of the same reasonings to get it through to you. Even then...

I think you should learn to appreciate that sometimes when someone posts an opposing view to yours, it is not necessarily trolling.

 

[Thegameman]

You were once a newbie too.

There are many reasons to believe that PS3 will offer close to perfect backwards compatibility, and it shouldn't have taken so many iterations of the same reasonings to get it through to you. Even then...

I think you should learn to appreciate that sometimes when someone posts an opposing view to yours, it is not necessarily trolling.

In fact the newbies are the ones with the solid point here,been a newbie here doesn't mean we are new to video games.

He should learn that he is so rude,i don't get it is just a console.


But trying to win by bringing a comment of J Allard to compare it to sony backward compatibility is wrong,the PS backward compatibility is not PR,is in the PS2 and until now by sony's word is on the PS3 as well...



I have not see some one fight agsinst the backward compatibility of a PS console like him,hell not even MS deserve it and their backward compatibility is kind of a joke comapare to the PS one.

 

[jvd]

You were once a newbie too.

There are many reasons to believe that PS3 will offer close to perfect backwards compatibility, and it shouldn't have taken so many iterations of the same reasonings to get it through to you. Even then...

I think you should learn to appreciate that sometimes when someone posts an opposing view to yours, it is not necessarily trolling.

Yes many years ago and I treated others with respect .

Sony is employing emulation .

There are reasons why they may not have a 100% or even 90% backwards compatibilty .

They never once state that 13k titles will be bc at launch .


That is what i've pointed out . Now some people can't handle that i've pointed it out and many want to troll my posts .

 

[Shifty Geezer]

The difference here is assumptions being made. Me, like most people, assume BC means you open wth box and put in your old games and they run. PS2 was advertised as BC and that's what it did. The GBA was advertised as BC with GB and that's what it did. The Master System adapter for Genesis was advertised as allowing you to run your Master System games on Genesis and that's what it did. None said 'No updates, patches or recompiled executables required'. It was assumed that none of these things were needed.

MS talked of BC for XB360. At first they said it wasn't a priority. They then announced BC was to feature (woohoo!). They then explained that it was a 'partial' solution, in that it was specifically targetted for 'the most popular titles' and would need a level of recompilation for some titles to work. That's the first time I've heard of BC having a more in-depth explanation of what titles it supports. I tell a lie. The Amiga A1200 had backwards compatibility with older Amiga software but Commodore advertised that not every game would work because of issues with the software.

Now if Sony have, as you suggest, got a partial solution that needs XB360/A1200 like patches and fixes, why are they not saying so? Are they really going to risk the PR nightmare of advertising BC for 13,000 games and then when we put our games in half of them don't work, just pass that off a BC anyway as though they didn't need to explain this was a limitation of their solution?

People's expectations in the main are that, unless stated otherwise, a BC solution means out-of-the-box, play your old software. If there are any variations to this, if a noticeable number of titles aren't BC out of the box compatible, we expect to be forewarned. You obviously have a different take. Perhaps when Nintendo announced you could play GB games on your GBA you thought to yourself "Hmmm, maybe, but will that be all titles? Will I need to purchase new compatible versions, or get a flash card which I can upload new executables onto?". Perhaps when Sony announced PS2 would play PS1 games you thought "yeah, but will I need to buy a HDD to download patches onto so I can manage this? Will I need to buy a disk of patches to run before loading the game proper like Amiga had to?"

Just a different take on the matter I guess, but I don't see reason to be that skeptical of Sony's current announcements on BC. I had no idea at the time how PS2 was BC with PS1 but it was and worked, just as Sony said it would.

 

[MasaC]

I've already watched it , many times actually and never once do they say they will have all 13k titles working at launch out of the box .

If you care to find where they say it that I may have missed then we can talk . Till then your paper thin defense is meaning less and stupid

They did present the PS3 and Ken Kutaragi himself announced b/c. His actual words were:

Within the last 10 years over 13000 titles were released for Playstation 1 and Playstation 2 formats by a number of publishers. This is a very important asset for everyone. We're happy to announce that Playstation 3 will have backward compatibility to enjoy this asset.

This was followed directly by that shot I've posted twice already in this thread.

Backward compatibility was delivered out of the box with the PS2 and until Sony's press conference at E3 b/c with both PS1 and PS2 wasn't confirmed for the PS3.

You'll have to tell me on what ground you're basing your opinion that b/c will not be available out of the box with the PS3. It certainly can't be of history.

 

[jvd]

adnd they never once said all 13k titles will work out of the box at launch.



Case closed as you have still not been able to show where they said it will have 13k titles working out of the box .



There is no need to continue untill you can post that they say it

 

[Almasy]

Please, just stop with this. PS2´s BC with PSOne is what? 99.999% BC? That in statistics is effectively 100%. Why is anyone doubting Sony on this, against all reason, against history, against everything? Because MS f*cked up and offers a half assed solution?

Come on, am I the only one that can see jvd is just being an ass about the issue? Just tell the guy he is right, it´s impossible to have a reasonable discussion with him.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I guess its a matter of burden of proof. The fact that Sony had BC for the PS2 to PSX games out of the box shows that Sony is fully capable of doing a high rate of BC...but this time there using Emulation. Turn it around though and you can say that Sony built the hardware themselves and no one really knows how much of it is Emulation and how much is using physical hardware.

Point is..no one knows enough to make a valid point about how BC and how it will be implimented off the PS3. I'm going solely off the fact that they did so well with BC on the PS2 and that there emphiszing how important it is, instead of saying its just a "feature". With that I believe that theres going to be BC out of the box with the 13,000 games (PSX/PS2).

 

[Thegameman]

adnd they never once said all 13k titles will work out of the box at launch.



Case closed as you have still not been able to show where they said it will have 13k titles working out of the box .



There is no need to continue untill you can post that they say it

Were did it say it will not play 13,000 out of the box?


The same argument use against you.

 

[London Geezer]

Sony never explicitly said you actually need electricity to start up the PS3. I certainly didn't hear it at the E3 conference. Must mean it's using something else!!! A new source of energy!! Or give me a link proving otherwise! Come on! Prove me wrong!



(that's the game jvd is playing. absolutely useless)

 

[Phil]

As for it being mean. I'm tired of newbie trolls posting like they are the second coming and posting stupid meaningless things .

And I suspect I'm not only speaking of myself when I say that your constant trolling and stubbornness is far more annoying than all the newbies combined that have tried to reason with you in this thread. Besides, just about everyone - newbies as well as long members - in here is trying to reason with you, and I'm not really sure you're quite worthy of the effort that is put in.

Lets just recap some facts:

#1 Sony shipped PS2 more or less fully backwards-compatible out of the box on launch day back in 2000.

#2 Sony said PS3 will continue this trend

#3 Sony implied at their press conference that PS3 will be backwards-compatible with 13'000 titles

Knowing these 3 points - it is clear we are lead to believe that the trend PlayStation users have adopted as a standard will be adopted for PS3 as well. In that case, that PS3 will be backwards-compatible out of the box, period. There's no evidence pointing in a change, so naturally, we don't need quotes stating so. Sony is implying and that's enough for us until otherwise is proven true. Do you have any facts or reasonable arguments supporting that Sony will want to change this trend, contrary to what they have stated at their press-conference and implied - YES or NO?

If no, then can we all just ask for you to follow up on your past post in that you are finally "done with this thread" and just let it be?

And even if there would be a quote - your additude of not taking anything Sony sais as fact (your example of Allard saying Xb360 to be the most powerful thing implies you're not ready to take anything from the mouth of Sony Rep seriously ANYWAY) limits this discussion beyond pointless anyway. What difference would it make? You'd still argue for the sake of arguing - which IMO is trolling and an utter annoyance to the board and its members.

 

[Almasy]

BlueTsunami, they used emulation as well on PS2. This has been repeated to death, thanks to a certain stubborn ass, but here goes again: Sony used a combination of hardware and software to provide BC with PSOne on PS2, they will do the same on PS3. So, unless there is hard evidence about Sony lying to consumers in the past, there´s absolutely no reason to doubt them.

 

[MasaC]

For Christ's sake, jvd! You're resorting to semantics.

OK, so Ken Kutaragi didn't say PS3 will have b/c with the PS1 and PS2 "out of the box" specifically but that is understood. Do you really believe it won't after that announcement?

If you need more proof on the subject just check out the offcial specs for the PS3:

http://www.us.playstation.com/Pressreleases.aspx?id=279

Under Disc Media it states that PS3 will read Playstation CD-ROM, Playstation 2 CD-ROM and Playstation 2 DVD-ROM. Why do you think that is? To let b/c become an add-on like it is on the xbox 360?

Think about it. B/C is a way to make a new console more appealing to consumers as they can continue to play their old games and also play games that are yet to be relased on the older console. There's no point selling b/c as an add-on later on.

 

[jvd]

And I suspect I'm not only speaking of myself when I say that your constant trolling and stubbornness is far more annoying than all the newbies combined that have tried to reason with you in this thread. Besides, just about everyone - newbies as well as long members - in here is trying to reason with you, and I'm not really sure you're quite worthy of the effort that is put in.

Of course its only not okay to post negative things about sony . Seems to me the double standard some of you have is very annoying

1 Sony shipped PS2 more or less fully backwards-compatible out of the box on launch day back in 2000.

Not a 100% backwards compatible .

Nor was it ever even to this day a 100% backwards compatible

#2 Sony said PS3 will continue this trend

Of being less than a 100% backwards compatible as that is what the trend is

3 Sony implied at their press conference that PS3 will be backwards-compatible with 13'000 titles

And never said when it will acomplish this . It never once said that it will be on launch day .


KNowing these three things and that they are using emulation means that they may not have a 100% bc on launch day .

Thank you for further proving my point

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Unfortunately the moment one game, the magnificent 3 unit selling "Bungo Guppy's Magnificent Rainbow Journey to Spontaneous Combustion Land" fails to run on PS3, jvd will be all 'nyah nyah it's not 100% like I said, you're all pwnd' despite 99.999% of games working fine and the PS3 owners of the world enjoying their back-catalogue without problem (save 3 poor unfortunate souls). Honestly, why not start arguing that KK only said 13,00 titles when there's ACTUALLY 13,322 PS1 and PS2 titles in the world? That's 322 titles not accounted for, a whole like 1%!!! OMG 1% of PS2 games won't run! How DARE Sony claim BC for PS3!

jvd's hit the realm of PC-Engine like semantic bashing, apparently for the sole purpose of making trouble. Sometimes jvd has really off weeks and this appears to be one of them.

 

[jvd]

You people are so quick to rush to sony's defense .

So much so that your glossing over the fact that sony has never had a 100% bc and has never claimed they will have it at launch .



Anyway I'm done with the topic . If sony fans don't want to have a debate where actual facts are brought into the conversation and excuses aren't made to cover up things then its not worth my time to point out the facts and the lack of confirmation that sony will have all 13k titles working out of the box on launch day

 

[BlueTsunami]

You people are so quick to rush to sony's defense .

So much so that your glossing over the fact that sony has never had a 100% bc and has never claimed they will have it at launch .

Whos saying 100% BC? People are throwing down the 13,000 games being playable on the PS3 figure...but where are you getting 100% BC?

Hell...3/4 of the Mary Kate and Ashley games will probably be playable. Also....emulators on the PC are able to play many many many PSX game. Whos to say that the sole company that owns that hardware wouldn't be able to build an emulator themselves. Finally...it doesn't seem to be full Software emulation, theres probably going to be hardware involved to.

PS2 just proved that BC is capable with about 99% of the gaming catalog of the PSX. I'm surprised YOU haven't made a big deal about MS making only "Popular" games playable. I'll be all set if all the PSX Final fantasy games and other RPGs work on the PS3.

 

[jvd]

Actually if you ever read any of my posts you would know that bc isn't interesting to me as i don't care for it . I perfer to keep my past consoles .



I also don't own a xbox or a psone /2 to worry about bc on either. I am just simply pointing out facts

 

[Ty]

Actually if you ever read any of my posts you would know that bc isn't interesting to me as i don't care for it . I perfer to keep my past consoles .

I thought you were looking forward to playing old NES games on the Revolution...

 

[dskneo]

".... hey look!!! PAkistan as 99% of winning the world cup!

Jvd: ah screw that... lets speculate as hard as we can about those 1% of failure as that is the percentage i care about and i have the brains to counter-attack all what others say by argumenting " if this, then it fails.... if that, then it fails... if if if ".... "


-there is a time in a boys life when they realize they have the brains to have a discussion based only in semantics, disregarding all the already mentioned facts and realistic points.... thats at 14 or 15 years old.
-But when that boy realizes that the other boys already have pass beyond that, he stops being an ass by giving lame excuses about everything he discusses about (just to win his point), and starts to be objective and realistic.

jvd, you have to move one.... (unless your 14yro)

i'm new here, but you are giving me a bad view of this forum.... the discussions you make, i can already see them in ******s forums. Excuses for everything to fail... No point in being here to see tipical low I.Q discussions.

i was already about to leave anyway as i dont see realistic discussions in here anymore. Everything is about that 1% of failing.... lets forget those 99% of success (that the past already shown)
shame.

EDIT: its not about Sony fans..... its about having sh*t loads of kids near by who already think they are masters of "discussion" because they can use semantics. I'm past that age and i run away from kids who still do the same. It's boring, nothing to learn from that kind of discussion..
..sony fans, wrong..... its about childish arguments. thats what.
Sick of that.....