Has the console forum been axed?

[overclocked]

More mods, and better rules/comunication.

I think this could been avoided but lately theres been a flood of new posters that ask the same thing again and again, search fuction anyone?

Many should been banned instantly/send PM and then bye bye..

Myself started reading B3D forums around early 2000 but didnt reg until 2002. Came from Aceshardware thats one of the IMO best sites along with B3D.

But as lately its just not the same old good sense when reading in Console as of a year ago or so.

Hope we can come up with a good solution anyhow.

 

[Hardknock]

Technical and games . Then finaly add more mods .

GREAT news jvd. I think that will help alleviate a lot of the problems if you split it up like that.

 

[Dave Glue]

I would also like to add, personally at least, that it's disappointing to read so many people go on about how the Console Talk board was the best thing about the site -

I wouldn't say "disappointing", I'd rather say bizarre.

The console forum, while certainly better than IGN's boards (yes, that's not saying much) was usually the low-point of Beyond3d IMO. Every forum has some degree of trolling and immaturity, but the console forum took it to a new level, it really did seem out of place for those of us who have been on here for years and witnessed the level of discussion in other forums. Frankly I think it served as a lure for trolls for B3D as a whole. While it did exhibit some knowledge and interesting discussion at times, the signal/noise ratio was well skewed to the latter.

I do agree that an official explanation would be appreciated however. It's not a huge loss to me, but obviously from the amount of activity others would be interested.

 

[Nite_Hawk]

that it's disappointing to read so many people go on about how the Console Talk board was the best thing about the site

I think many people (at least me..) were talking about the forum, not the site as a whole.

I suspect so but even with that in mind, the 3D Tech and 3D Coding sections should be the primary sections of the discussion board (B3D Articles and News being next!) given the nature of the site content; the CT board should be considerably lower down the rankings.

I'm rather suprised to hear a mod say something like this. I'm sorry if you feel insulted that I (and apparently others) feel the technical discussion in the console forum has been better than the other forums lately, but I won't lie to you. In the last year the 3D hardware and Technology (and to a certain extent the 3D coding forum) have been rather boring. It's not really the fault of anyone in particular (certainly not the mods), it's just that there haven't been a whole lot of visible innovations outside of the console realm lately, and pretty much any topic related to consoles (whether it be technology or coding) ends up there.

Quite honestly, I think your opinion that the console forum should be "ranked" lower than the other forums belittles the efforts of great people like Fafadala, nAo, and DeanoC who post extremely informative and useful information there which can't be found anywhere else.

Nite_Hawk

 

[Carl B]

I think what killed CT was the long-standing forum regulars who for some reason just could not help themselves posting and posting and posting more and more tit for tat rubbish.

People who should know what PM is for. People who should know how precarious "their" forum is. etc.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that quite a few of these people have gotten what they deserved.

Jawed

I don't know, the whole thing just seems crazy to me. Certainly the people who wanted to avoid it could easily have done so - it's not like it was a black hole sucking people in to post.

I guess it's moot now however; it just doesn't seem to make sense is all. What is gained by this?

 

[jvd]

Nite_Hawk


http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22

This forum is for developers thoughts and honestly this is the way it should be . Devs can post thier comments and thoughts . Personaly I don't know how dave has it set up but some of the developers from the console forum weren't invited to have posting access to that forum he should extend it to them .

This is much better than having it thrown into the console forum as the dev can have it technical and doesn't have to worry about people jumping in and trolling

 

[Neeyik]

Quite honestly I'm suprised to hear a mod say something like this.

I made it clear, or at least I though I had, that they were my personal comments; whatever decision or opinion that the EIC and site founders have, I will follow to the letter as a moderator.

Quite honestly, I think your opinion that the console forum should be "ranked" lower than the other forums belittles the efforts of great people like Fafadala, nAo, and DeanoC who post extremely informative and useful information there which can't be found anywhere else.

I said it should be ranked below: 3D Tech, 3D Coding, News and B3D Articles as these are the primary and secondary focuses of the site. Technical discussions concerning console hardware would be an obvious tertiary choice, along with PC hardware and software. As far as I'm personally concerned, the lowest ranking sections are GD and RPSC. Perhaps my wording came across badly but if one believes that I am deliberately belittling somebody like Dean, then there has been some clear misunderstanding taking place.

 

[jimpo]

Just one addition that came to mind... Is all console-related discussion now officially forbidden in the B3D forums? I would be surprised if it was, since consoles contribute greatly to the innovations in 3d technology.

So, if discussion about console related 3d technology is still allowed, where? "3d technology and hardware"? We'll see the same discussions moving there, along with the trolling problem. What has been accomplished?

I'm sorry, but removing the console forum still seems a wrong cure to the problem.

 

[Nite_Hawk]

Nite_Hawk


http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22

This forum is for developers thoughts and honestly this is the way it should be . Devs can post thier comments and thoughts . Personaly I don't know how dave has it set up but some of the developers from the console forum weren't invited to have posting access to that forum he should extend it to them .

This is much better than having it thrown into the console forum as the dev can have it technical and doesn't have to worry about people jumping in and trolling

Have you looked at the developers forum recently? The last post was made in Febuary! For whatever reason, it appears that the developers would rather post their thoughts and discussions in the console forum. I really don't care where they post personally, I'm just explaining why there are those of us that actually liked the console forum. Sure there were trolls, but they were easy enough to ignore most of the time.

If you guys want to try and keep the high level or informative discussions in designated areas like the developer forum I'm all for it, but so far it doesn't really seem to be working out like you want it to.

Nite_Hawk

 

[jvd]

Nothing stops developers from posting in it and most likely now they will post more

 

[gurgi]

Nite_Hawk


http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22

This forum is for developers thoughts and honestly this is the way it should be . Devs can post thier comments and thoughts . Personaly I don't know how dave has it set up but some of the developers from the console forum weren't invited to have posting access to that forum he should extend it to them .

This is much better than having it thrown into the console forum as the dev can have it technical and doesn't have to worry about people jumping in and trolling

Have you looked at the developers forum recently? The last post was made in Febuary! For whatever reason, it appears that the developers would rather post their thoughts and discussions in the console forum. I really don't care where they post personally, I'm just explaining why there are those of us that actually liked the console forum. Sure there were trolls, but they were easy enough to ignore most of the time.

If you guys want to try and keep the high level or informative discussions in designated areas like the developer forum I'm all for it, but so far it doesn't really seem to be working out like you want it to.

Nite_Hawk

It only makes sense. Who wants to talk to themselves in a forum that has big blinking developer lights and arrows pointing to them. They are like anyone else and chime into existing conversation when they feel like pushing the reply button.

 

[jvd]

Questions can be asked to the devs . I don't see why you can't post in there . I can post and I don't have any mod status there . So its open to anyone . There are non devs posting in there.

If you have a question ask it there .

However it is not for how much more powerfull this is over this . But technical questions . Like how does the ls in the cell function and things of that nature .

 

[Nite_Hawk]

Quite honestly I'm suprised to hear a mod say something like this.

I made it clear, or at least I though I had, that they were my personal comments; whatever decision or opinion that the EIC and site founders have, I will follow to the letter as a moderator.

Quite honestly, I think your opinion that the console forum should be "ranked" lower than the other forums belittles the efforts of great people like Fafadala, nAo, and DeanoC who post extremely informative and useful information there which can't be found anywhere else.

I said it should be ranked below: 3D Tech, 3D Coding, News and B3D Articles as these are the primary and secondary focuses of the site. Technical discussions concerning console hardware would be an obvious tertiary choice, along with PC hardware and software. As far as I'm personally concerned, the lowest ranking sections are GD and RPSC. Perhaps my wording came across badly but if one believes that I am deliberately belittling somebody like Dean, then there has been some clear misunderstanding taking place.

I think the problem is that 3D technolgy and 3D coding are not very interesting at the moment outside of what is happening on consoles. For this reason, it seems that the console forum is having a lot more interesting discussions about 3D tech and 3D coding than those forums which are dedicated to them do! Even Dave (who I don't think I ever used to see in the console forum) has been seen pretty often there lately.

Perhaps you should encourage people to discuss console programming in the 3D programming forum, and console hardware in the 3D Hardware forum. That's personally fine with me. Most people here (including me) seemed to be under the impression that the console forum was for this (and pretty much anything else console related).

Nite_Hawk

 

[Sonic]

There is a lot of technical discussion that goes into the console forum. The main problem that comes up is having to search a mess of topics that do not contribute to the forum at all. Technical discussion can be buried deep into a thread.

The place is not what it used to be. It used to be that civil discussion could be had about the consoles without posters ocming to the defense of a particular console. And the arguments would never end. The use of quotes from PR to prove a point, the bashing of Sony or Microsoft left and right, and the constant offsided comments and derailment of a thread. It is a problem. And the people responsible need to take a vacation until they've learned their lesson.

Here's an analogy. It feels like being a sherriff in the wild west where we have to uphold and lay down the law. There is only so much said sherriff can do, (I'mn not spelling sherriff right am I?). We do our best, we honestly do.

There are a few people that need to banned. It seems like this really is the only solution other than no longer having a forum. The list of people who need to get banned are long, but after this hiatus I can understand if a second chance is giving and if they continue to post the way they do they get banned.

One other solution could be to have a spin-off site for the consoles that way all console related discussion is there.

 

[hey69]

Just one addition that came to mind... Is all console-related discussion now officially forbidden in the B3D forums? I would be surprised if it was, since consoles contribute greatly to the innovations in 3d technology.

So, if discussion about console related 3d technology is still allowed, where? "3d technology and hardware"? We'll see the same discussions moving there, along with the trolling problem. What has been accomplished?

I'm sorry, but removing the console forum still seems a wrong cure to the problem.

i dunno but my thread with a link to resident evil 5 movie in it was axed in the GAMES section of the board.. :?

 

[gurgi]

Just one addition that came to mind... Is all console-related discussion now officially forbidden in the B3D forums? I would be surprised if it was, since consoles contribute greatly to the innovations in 3d technology.

So, if discussion about console related 3d technology is still allowed, where? "3d technology and hardware"? We'll see the same discussions moving there, along with the trolling problem. What has been accomplished?

I'm sorry, but removing the console forum still seems a wrong cure to the problem.

i dunno but my thread with a link to resident evil 5 movie in it was axed in the GAMES section of the board.. :?

Yeah, somebody got on my case for making a thread about Conker in the games forum. This site definately has an elitism thing going. I think nAo has the right idea.

 

[Neeyik]

i dunno but my thread with a link to resident evil 5 movie in it was axed in the GAMES section of the board.. :?

Actually it wasn't - it's been moved to...well, guess!

 

[Pozer]

... If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out ....

I disagree with the decision. CT was one of the most alive boards on this site. This site should be geard toward 3d rendering technology, period and right now the ps3/N5/x360 have the most exciting tech.

The trolling was bad but to be expected considering the upcoming console release war within the next 6-9 months. I don't think it's been that much worse than the Pc card forums during the nv30/r300 debates (ie. partial precision trolling).

I think mass IP banning would have been good enough

 

[DudeMiester]

Without the Console forum this site is useless to me.

They better put them back, if the admins here have any sense. If it's because it too hard to moderate, well what the fuck do you expect? Moderating what was quite possibly the best console forum on the net to be easy?! LOL (at you)!

 

[hey69]

i dunno but my thread with a link to resident evil 5 movie in it was axed in the GAMES section of the board.. :?

Actually it wasn't - it's been moved to...well, guess!

moved t the trash?