GT HD Premium = GT5 Prologue | GT HD Classic = GT:HD at E3

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Bobbler said:
I wouldn't exactly call a price filler/guess by some website any indication of the actual price it will be.
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I wouldnt either. but if you look at the facts, sony guy in france guesses that ps3 would be a bargain anywhere between 500 and 600 euros. bam! 499-599
sony guy wonders what if a game ships with one car and one track and you download everything from our network. bam! gt: hd
I could go on but there is already a pattern visible.
so, sony guy gives a filler list for spring release to one of the biggest online shops in europe..... bam! my guess is as good as anybody's.

I'd hate that price (or even anything close to that) as much as you.
probably even more, 'cause i'm not the "select a couple of cars/tracks and be happy" guy.
so I dislike the "download as you play" thing already, even if the disc was free.
I am just using what facts are available for me now. more infos are very appreciated. so if you have, please dont hold on.
 
Aside from the GT franchise particular, it's undeniable that microtransactions and item-based online games are effective strategy against used games and piracy. It's more effective for blockbuster titles because they are more often in circulation in these channels.
 
Who says that "sony guy" gave play.com a list? And one with prices on top of that?

Most of those sites, from what I've seen, just make guesses.

And who is this "sony guy" anyways?

If I had to guess I'd say GT:HD will be a budget release, and everything I've seen points to that.
 
Bobbler said:
And who is this "sony guy" anyways?

If I had to guess I'd say GT:HD will be a budget release, and everything I've seen points to that.
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"that sony guy" is the recent nightmare :LOL:
he never speaks for a good reason. and he always looks fondly at my wallet.:LOL: now, jokes aside,
the first sony guy would be sony chief france. that was the first time in the world we heard about the 600e thing, and we all thought that its overexaggerated.
sony guy number two would be sony chief u.s. on another interview a while back, and sony guy number three would be sony uk sales or something.
you dont think that sony, m$, nintendo leave the product information for the big chains to guesswork on the mercant's part, do you?
I most certainly prefer a "budget release" or a "free game for premium ps3" as everybody else. I hope you are correct.



also I would like to point out that the "effectiveness to piracy" idea does not hold.
pirates pirate everything. they dont separate software. they just crack and distribute it without any distinction.
more than that, I guess gt hd will not be pirated, cause its too soon. also, if PD/Sony wanted to just test the online commerce system, they would have placeholder prices, like 1 credit per car or track.
last, those consumers that rely on pirated stuff for gaming, they just get what is available to them. no big deal.
 
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-=P3tRaN=- said:
also I would like to point out that the "effectiveness to piracy" idea does not hold.
pirates pirate everything. they dont separate software. they just crack and distribute it without any distinction.
more than that, I guess gt hd will not be pirated, cause its too soon. also, if PD/Sony wanted to just test the online commerce system, they would have placeholder prices, like 1 credit per car or track.
last, those consumers that rely on pirated stuff for gaming, they just get what is available to them. no big deal.
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Your reasoning doesn't match with the reality in countries such as China where only viable game revenue sources are from PC MMO games. And they are making money. Even these games are in the middle of the transition from subscription based business to item sales based to further lower the entrance barrier. Note that I don't think PS3 will be cracked in a few months, but they can do these experiments as a first-party before others do. As you don't mention effectiveness to used games, I assume you agree about it.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
No we don't and can only talk about the info we do have. But I say it's right to kick up a fuss over pricing models like this (if one is fussed). This noise trickles back to PD and they realize they may be shooting themselves in the foot. Wheras if everyone politely just waits and sees, and there's no talk of fire and brimstone for Polyphony for charging me to try cars or new courses, they'll think everyone's happy with the concept.

Maybe they are planning on testdrives before you buy, bulk deals and race packs, or a full-game on release. Until we know that, we should make as much noise as possible to tell them that's what we want!
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Sure... but without official info, people usually gravitate towards the negative/noisiest source. Many of the earlier posts were based on wrong datapoints to begin with (myself being guilty). I'm hoping we can have an intelligent and well grounded thread based on more concrete and accurate info.
 
one said:
Your reasoning doesn't match with the reality in countries such as China where only viable game revenue sources are from PC MMO games. And they are making money. Even these games are in the middle of the transition from subscription based business to item sales based to further lower the entrance barrier. Note that I don't think PS3 will be cracked in a few months, but they can do these experiments as a first-party before others do. As you don't mention effectiveness to used games, I assume you agree about it.
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china is a paradise for pirates. but its not like that in many places.

of course I agree on effectiveness on used games, but then again I do not agree with that practice as a consumer.
 
V3 said:
They can fund the development of GT5 by selling GT Premium content. They shouldn't even be working on GT Classic in the first place.
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If they do that, it will take a while before they have a sizable collection of cars and tracks. The online user experience (e.g., car trial) and community management experience (e.g., dealing with hacks and cheats) also take time to build up. Some of these will be invaluable to GT 5 development.

So the GT:HD Classic move is probably the shortest path to go online for the moment. By the time GT5 gets there, they should have a pretty seasoned team to operate it. In the mean time, the downloadable Premium content will be available as they are ready.

It's not a bad move per se, but we are missing official pricing scheme and some more context to the game plan.
 
-=P3tRaN=- said:
china is a paradise for pirates. but its not like that in many places.

of course I agree on effectiveness on used games, but then again I do not agree with that practice as a consumer.
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Despite the piracy, China is also growing as a market (A huge market to say the least).

The general interests in moving/trying out pay-per-use or item-based purchases in online games is due to some early successes in those business models. This means that both the users and the vendor are happy.

Where digital distribution is concerned, I don't think there is a general model. Different vendors will probably need to rationalize with their userbase to find the right balance. Whichever way it goes, they will likely meet resistance due to compromises made on the minority.
 
-tkf- said:
The price is 49.99 Euro, i guess the price dropped?

By December it will be 25 :)
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Where did you get the price from ?

EDIT: Ok... you added it to your post. We still don't know whether that's official though, but at least it serves a point. :) We need good data.
 
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-tkf- said:
By December it will be 25 :)
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patsu said:
If they do that, it will take a while before they have a sizable collection of cars and tracks. The online user experience (e.g., car trial) and community management experience (e.g., dealing with hacks and cheats) also take time to build up. Some of these will be invaluable to GT 5 development.
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GT5 won't be out till 2008. They can do the online development on GT Premium. Released a new track every week or two, and several new cars regurarly. Add online mode, bug fixes, etc. It should be something like this, while we get things into gear, here is GT4 in HD as an apology for making you beta test our product.

So the GT:HD Classic move is probably the shortest path to go online for the moment.
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GT Classic should be just an extra, not something you build around and profit like what they plan to do. It should come with the full tracks and cars of GT4, it uses GT4 assets afterall and leave it as is.

Why hold back content that is already done a year ago ? Why sell online content that are outdated ?

Online development should be concentrated on GT Premium instead. Online content should be something new. That's the whole point of why we should put up with it. For example if a new car model come out after GT5, that would be a good reason for online content. Or games with long development period, or games that require alot of fine tuning, etc. Not to sell content from what's now a budget release.

It's not a bad move per se, but we are missing official pricing scheme and some more context to the game plan.
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If average consumers and fans are stupid enough that they don't find out they are being taken for a ride, its a good move.
 
V3 said:
GT Classic should be just an extra, not something you build around and profit like what they plan to do. It should come with the full tracks and cars of GT4, it uses GT4 assets afterall and leave it as is.

Why hold back content that is already done a year ago ? Why sell online content that are outdated ?
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I'm not sure how much this "asset reuse" argument holds true. You couldn't animate them in PS2 after all. Textures put in the PS2 GT4 disc for the photo mode might be downsampled quite a bit from the original already. In a way it's like a remastered CD. Or buying a newly authored Blu-ray version of your DVD.
 
V3 said:
GT5 won't be out till 2008. They can do the online development on GT Premium. Released a new track every week or two, and several new cars regurarly. Add online mode, bug fixes, etc. It should be something like this, while we get things into gear, here is GT4 in HD as an apology for making you beta test our product.
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It sounds like GT 5 will be based on GT Premium platform ? So working on GT Premium is working on GT 5 (That's what I meant).

GT Classic should be just an extra, not something you build around and profit like what they plan to do. It should come with the full tracks and cars of GT4, it uses GT4 assets afterall and leave it as is.

Why hold back content that is already done a year ago ? Why sell online content that are outdated ?
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See one's post. Also a Dodge Charger is a Dodge Charger. I don't think you can use "outdated" to describe the assets. Like I said, PD has much to do/evolve to meet its high standard for GT 5 online.

Online development should be concentrated on GT Premium instead. Online content should be something new. That's the whole point of why we should put up with it. For example if a new car model come out after GT5, that would be a good reason for online content. Or games with long development period, or games that require alot of fine tuning, etc. Not to sell content from what's now a budget release.
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The online engine and environment needs to be done (from scratch ?). PD will need to recover that cost as it evolves.

If average consumers and fans are stupid enough that they don't find out they are being taken for a ride, its a good move.
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...or perhaps you are not giving enough credit to them ?
 
Wow. Looking at that slide, I've suddenly had a change of heart. It seems this GTHD will be much more than simply GT4. Am I alone in theis sentiment?
 
one said:
Apparently there was a presentation about GT:HD.

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:oops: Must...Resist...Number Plate Editor...

I am also glad that my DFP will work with the PS3 as I am not looking forward to getting another one for my 360 (damn you ms!!) Now all I need to do is secure a job for when I get outta the military so the wife wont protest...
 
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