GT HD Premium = GT5 Prologue | GT HD Classic = GT:HD at E3

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wowzers. :-|
I guess I better wait for some 720p videos before passing further judgment on graphics.
lighting is not nextgen though. not even close.
 
dodo3 said:
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Wow, looks like they are bringing back the "Grindelwald" track from GT2! Now hopefully, they'll also bring back some of the cars as well, like the racing version of the Esprit (black one with 550bhp) or the Lotus GT1...

As for the graphics, as long as it's pleasing to the eye, runs at least at constant 60 fps and features perhaps even dynamic weather... I really don't care the grass is flat or not... I for one am excited, especially if the new Logitech wheel with 6-gear gearbox and clutch is officially supported... == instant buy for me! :D
 
-=P3tRaN=- said:
hold on!!
these videos are from GT4 engine (GT:HD Classic), right?
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Arwin said:
Premium
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-=P3tRaN=- said:
wowzers. :-|
I guess I better wait for some 720p videos before passing further judgment on graphics.
lighting is not nextgen though. not even close.
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-tkf- said:
Yeah it seem awfully rough for a game that is scheduled for a 2008 release :)
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Those videos are from GT:HD Classic.

The somewhat downside to this effect is that these fans want Gran Turismo 5 while Sony and Polyphony are currently showing off Gran Turismo HD, a "port" of sorts of Gran Turismo 4 to the PlayStation 3. While this year's E3 press conference garnered some resentment to the series after its lengthy (and somewhat boring) demo, the companies have stuck to their guns and are displaying the game in full force at this year's TGS.
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Visually, the game looks like an incredibly high resolution version of GT4. Running at 1080p over HDMI, the game is leaps and bounds cleaner than even GT4 running at 1080i. Aside from resolution, there are a handful of nice visual upgrades to be seen, like a great specular lighting system on the cars, but most of the environmental changes are simply cleanliness. Textures are much sharper with cars looking absolutely stellar and backgrounds cutting through your eyes like a razor blade. The bystanders on the side of the track now look to be fully 3D and nicely animated, with some fans even standing up from a crouched position as you approach.

Again, aside from all that however, this is the PlayStation 3 version of Gran Turismo 4. The microtransaction element is certainly curious, so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. But all in all, this is the same old Gran Turismo that we've loved for years, but it's not the true next-gen Gran Turismo.
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You trust the word of IGN over mine? :oops: :p

Seriously, the only time they had a real GT expert writing for them, was when I was writing for them (for free, I might add).

In this article, they don't even let on that they are aware of Premium's existence in the first place. In the Subaru cars you have 2 drivers in the car, fairly clearly visible. Also, while I can't rule that out completely, it would mean that GT4 HD got an additional track. The Lotus 111R also looks better than what we've seen so far.

What clinches it, I think, is that there is a Famitsu scan out there which has three pictures of Premium labeled GT:HD Premium showing off this new track, and three pictures of Classic showing off existing GT4 tracks.

Need I go on?
 
I think arwin is correct.

plus

Yeah it seem awfully rough for a game that is scheduled for a 2008 release
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is it 2008, or is it the GT:HD Premium that me and you are going to buy waaay before GT5 ships?
 
Arwin said:
You trust the word of IGN over mine? :oops: :p
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You trust your own word over mine?! :D :D

Arwin said:
Seriously, the only time they had a real GT expert writing for them, was when I was writing for them (for free, I might add).

In this article, they don't even let on that they are aware of Premium's existence in the first place. In the Subaru cars you have 2 drivers in the car, fairly clearly visible. Also, while I can't rule that out completely, it would mean that GT4 HD got an additional track. The Lotus 111R also looks better than what we've seen so far.

What clinches it, I think, is that there is a Famitsu scan out there which has three pictures of Premium labeled GT:HD Premium showing off this new track, and three pictures of Classic showing off existing GT4 tracks.

Need I go on?
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Ah, yes, you make some good points. But yes, please go on if you have further evidence. I'm not fully convinced that was GT:HD Premium. Particularly with Gamespot reporting the same thing, that GT:HD was playable as it was at E3'06. I, however, have no further proof that it is not GT:HD Premium, and your point about the new track says a lot. So, with whom does the burden of proof fall on? :p

P.S. If I am right, you relinquish your GT Guru status to me! :LOL:
 
CAVILLINO RAMPANTE!

Finally. Thank you Luca, thank you Kaz.

To think, this isn't even as good as GT5 will end up looking like. To think. I'm buying the macrotransactions version just for Premium. I'm not ever going to support that bling bling business model they got there.

Oh and CAVILLINO RAMPANTE!
 
Incidentally, I'm getting the impression now that we are all misunderstanding a lot of things about GT:HD Classic. The way I understand it now, you actually have all the assets from GT4, plus a lot of new on-line features, plus downloadable tracks and cars. The car-number now being quoted at 770, that would mean 41 extra downloadable cars available re the European version.

Could someone who knows any Japanese check the official Japanese site for this game? Apparently there are a few details there.
 
hey arwin.
you now describe something that might be worth buying:

full GT4 assets on HD (full cars and tracks),
plus free online,
plus a snippet of GT premium (2 tracks offline only, but its ok),
with THE OPTION to buy even more stuff through online for both.

now that sounds a whole lot better.

so who can translate the official site arwin says?
 
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http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd.htm

GT HD Premium pics (1920x1080)
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd03.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd05.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd07.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd08.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd09.htm

Arwin said:
Incidentally, I'm getting the impression now that we are all misunderstanding a lot of things about GT:HD Classic. The way I understand it now, you actually have all the assets from GT4, plus a lot of new on-line features, plus downloadable tracks and cars. The car-number now being quoted at 770, that would mean 41 extra downloadable cars available re the European version.

Could someone who knows any Japanese check the official Japanese site for this game? Apparently there are a few details there.
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Where did you get that impression? The official site ( http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/sp/detail.do?article_id=374 ) has no description about how it works as of now. The above page with pics at Game Watch says the same thing (all of 750 cars and 50 course that are full-HD-sampled to the PS3 spec are available online for purchase)
 
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one said:
I'm not sure how much this "asset reuse" argument holds true. You couldn't animate them in PS2 after all. Textures put in the PS2 GT4 disc for the photo mode might be downsampled quite a bit from the original already. In a way it's like a remastered CD. Or buying a newly authored Blu-ray version of your DVD.
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You can get a computer for you to downsample things automatically. But my argument still stand why waste resources on it ? It looks bad next to GT Premium. Its something they need to abandon. Like GT2000.
 
Bad_Boy said:
How much do you think that translates into? I'm not sure how much a disc + manual costs publishers, are we talking 5-15 dollars maybe?
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The manual would probably be bare bones. And discs nowadays are bundled with magazines, so the cost should be quite minimal (of course he doesn't say which he's referring to (Classic or Premium) either). Classic for all intensive purposes could just be a free download. Think of it as an iTunes musicstore. You download the client and buy the content (cars and tracks)... Premium OTOH comes off to me as more of just a GT5 Prologue and would likely be a disc package.

Seems like a 2 pronged approach. Leverage Classic to build up the online community, then roll out Premium to give people a sniff of GT5...

Personally Classic (even though it is graphically inferior) is the more interesting of the two to me...

one said:
My guess is under $20. They may add some ridiculously gorgeous booklet with Ferrari photographs...
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Funny thing you mention Ferrari... The sure show lots of flashed of Ferraris in the promo video...
 
patsu said:
It sounds like GT 5 will be based on GT Premium platform ? So working on GT Premium is working on GT 5 (That's what I meant).
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Yes, I understood you the first time, what I mean was GT Premium, can be updated through microtransaction. So in 2 years GT Premium, becomes GT5 through microtransaction. And they can release GT5 for people that either don't microtransaction aggressively or at all.

At the moment they want you to microtransaction on GT Classic.

See one's post. Also a Dodge Charger is a Dodge Charger. I don't think you can use "outdated" to describe the assets. Like I said, PD has much to do/evolve to meet its high standard for GT 5 online.
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I wasn't talking in comparison with car model. That's silly. If what you said is true, we would still be playing GT and be content with it, because a Dodge is a Dodge, whether it is on GT, GT2, GT3 or GT4.

What I was talking about is the assets are outdated. Surely GT4 assets are outdated compare to GT5 assets. The same way GT Classic assets is outdated compare to GT Premium assets.

The online engine and environment needs to be done (from scratch ?). PD will need to recover that cost as it evolves.
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Start from scratch if need be, when that module is done, microtransaction it to consumers. When a track or a car done, put it on the market for us to decide if we like it or not. But this is for GT Premium. Don't waste resources on GT Classic. If they want to bundle GT Classic with GT HD, it should be just as is item, not something they update continuously, and not one that require microtransaction to play.

They can recover the cost from selling GT Premium add-on. They should already recover the cost of GT4 and make a nice profit from it. Unless you are telling me they need to recover the cost of GT HD Classic, that's their own problem. It was a boring showing at E3 anyway. Most press and fans were disappointed by it. Now they want to cash in on an idea that they put together in under 3 weeks.

...or perhaps you are not giving enough credit to them ?
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Not enough credits to whom? GT fans or PD?

Anyway GT Classic is just not up to standard that I expect out of PD. And for them to cash in on it through microtransaction, is disappointing.
 
one said:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd.htm

GT HD Premium pics (1920x1080)
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd03.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd05.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd07.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd08.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060922/gthd09.htm

Where did you get that impression? The official site ( http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/sp/detail.do?article_id=374 ) has no description about how it works as of now. The above page with pics at Game Watch says the same thing (all of 750 cars and 50 course that are full-HD-sampled to the PS3 spec are available online for purchase)
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Looking really nice...not mindblowing...but nice, I'd say. Can't wait to play the real GT5.
 
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