Formula 1 - 2018 Season

Got to disagree. 99% blame on Verstappen. No illegal double move and Ricciardo either passes him or sails off down the slip road. No crash.

Max caused the crash, Riciarddo went for the gap that would've been there is he was passing someone with consideration for the rules, by the time Max moved back it was already too late.

 

From someone who doesnt and hasnt followed F1 Racing, there sure seems to be some odd rules that seem to eliminate any sort of excitement. Why do they exist? Is it done in the name of driver safety? Though they seemed more aimed at protecting the expensive vehciles than driver safety considering the crash that happened had both drivers come away fine.

 

It may seem like that, but imagine the same crash only with a concrete wall instead of the run off area where both cars went off.

 

No track would be cleared for F1 without proper run off areas after a long straight. Has little to do with overtaking as there are various reasons a car might not be able to slow down sufficiently.

Who knows why. Fortunately the past couple of seasons rules have been relaxed and drivers have more freedom to race again. Fans are happy with this because it leads to racing rather than a 2 hour parade. Though there are a couple of rubber tile die hards in this topic that hate racing and feel the starting grid should be the finishing positions.

 

They were probably doing less than 100mph when they actually left the track, easily possible to go off elsewhere on this track and others straight into concrete at that speed or higher.

 

The larger run-off areas and other safety features are more aimed at incidents like this:



The G-forces involved if he'd hit a wall where the gravel trap starts would have been huge.

EDIT: This is why there are rules about swerving across the track too, as this is the sort of accident you can get in those situations, especially in braking zones.

 

I'd love to see a statistic for the ratio of touching or crashing to the number of passes you were involved with (passing or being passed). Max has got to be up there. I think this crash was mostly Max (for the second move and not leaving a car width), but I'd like to see if Daniel started braking later than other cars attempting that move.

BRiT, even all that run-off wouldn't help if a car lost a wheel or went airborne. And if Baku shows anything it's that drivers aren't worried about hurting their cars.

 

I don't think he was under any obligation to leave a car width at that point. Ricciardo was definitely behind him, and at that point Max is allowed to use the full width of the track.

EDIT: The rule regarding leaving space at the edge of the track is actually this:

I think the racing line at that point is the far right of the track, based on the line people take through qualifying.

Run-off can help with both losing wheels (see Buemi in China 2010) and giving a car a chance to no longer be airborne and slow down before it hits something.

 

But you're still not allowed to refuel cars during the race. What's your point and how's it relevant to what I said? I didn't say he was allowed to make the second move. I only made a comment about whether the rule about having had to leave a car width was in effect.

 

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-was-a-passenger-in-baku-clash-brawn-1032600/

This is why moving about in breaking zones ( being under breaking doesn't matter) is so dangerous!

 

I think it's very interesting how potentiallyambiguous the language of the rule is, at least to a non-racer like me. I don't remember anyone successfully passing on the outside of that corner (maybe Danny if Max hadn't tagged him using the Gran Turismo line earlier in the race), in which case does the inside become the racing (vs. qualifying) line? Then Max's second move was the return to the (wheel-to-wheel) racing line, in which case he should have left a car's width to the edge of the track he was closest to.

Eh, I'm picking nits and likely not using the traditional definition of racing line (the fastest way around a dry track). Max is already guilty of moving twice, no need to twist definitions into knots to ding him for the car width.

 

I'm not sure, but people successfully overtook around the outside in at least one of the support races.

 

Looks like someone is making political statements about Catalunya while painting the pitlane...

 

Saying that the Catalan region is Spain-'ish'