Formula 1 - 2018 Season

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  1. Pete

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    When you say compounds, do you mean the entire range for the year or the thinner (but apparently otherwise chemically identical) treads they brought to Barcelona?

    http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id...ves-ferrari-problems-spain-were-not-due-tyres

    (It's a continuous quote that I separated just to make it easier to read without having to expand the quote box.)
     
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    Worth reading Adrian Newey's technical take on it with regards to what I quoted and linked who is the primary designer for Red Bull (and one of if not the greatest successful engineer ever in F1), including the context he says they all play games/politics.
    He says the change benefited them while others lost out.
    Anyway the post and quote was with regards to several points in this thread from a few; it shows changes happen mid season without full consent nor do they have full consent on the compound range produced for each race depending on temperature/weather/track, changes benefit some over others, and all the teams play games/politics with the tyre manufacture and FIA technical regulations.
    The earlier post was a clearer example how teams do use relationship with tyre manufacturer to their advantage (such as Mercedes tried to in 2013), but over the years they are not the only ones, comes back to Newey and his point of politics and all teams play games.

    The beginning of the article I linked in the post your responding to even without the quotes I provided says.
    The context of which comes back to some of the factors I mentioned earlier in other post and here.
     
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    I mean the thinner treads.

    Regardless if the thinner ones were actually better for all, it's natural that these kinds of surprise('ish) decisions made without consent of all the teams midseason are raising suspicions especially if one team seems to benefit greatly while others don't - who knows, even if the normal treaded tyres would have been worse for all, they might have been even worse for Mercedes who suddenly seemed to get huge boost
     
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    I think Mercedes also looked awesome in preseason testing at Barcelona with the same cooler temps but the normal tread depth. It's probably the temps and track more than the tire that suit Mercedes. If Merc are slower getting their tire temps up to optimum, that might also serve them well at a track where tires overheat.

    After the problems Pirelli had a few years ago with exploding tires, they're probably given the last word on what they bring to the track.
     
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    I can't find the original Autosport article, but according to one finnish f1-news outlet (https://www.suomif1.com/2018/05/f1-...kertoo-miten-naurettavaksi-tilanne-on-mennyt/) ex-driver Alexander Wurz has commented (again) very strongly against the current F1 style of having pavement everywhere, which leads to drivers not paying for their mistakes.
    He's not suggesting that we'd need to go back to when there was no asphalt outside track whatsoever, but still he's asking for more "hero to zero" -moments for drivers own mistakes. He used as an Silverstone race couple years ago, where Hamilton led Rosberg when it suddenly started to rain - Hamilton made a mistake but only lost around 0,5 seconds because he could just return to track without issues - in practice not paying anything since he kept his lead, something that would have never happened in the old days after a mistake like that. He actually even said barely anyone even noticed Hamilton going off because he could return to track so quickly
     
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    Well next race is Monaco. You will definitely pay for going off the track there :).
     
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    Monaco this weekend. Verstappen will start from the bottom of the grid, thanks to smashing to a wall in 3rd practice. After rebuilding the car they noticed they need to switch the gearbox and didn't have enough time to do it
     
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    Funny, It Worked Last Time...
    Verstappen's mistake could have robbed us of a grandstand Q3 but DannyRic was just incredible. I don't know if Verstappen could have beat that time.
     
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    At least he would crash trying :)
    Shame for lack of Verstappen in Quali, but thanks to it we will get some overtaking in GP now.

    Cracking lap by Ric! It was blast to watch it from onboard!

    Bring on the race ... I mean procession!
     
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    I'm going to say maybe the third person he tries to pass he's going to crash into probably ruining both cars
     
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    While I love Monaco because it's Monaco, it's also incredibly sad that you can keep your lead with broken car and driving some 2++ seconds slower laps than you should
     
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    Monaco should have a fire truck driven by clowns as the safety car because every parade should have that.
     
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    And water is wet.
     
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    Funny, It Worked Last Time...
    This is the first time that has been stated out loud by a team before as far as I know.

    It was good to see DannyRic win in the fastest car (when everything was working), but the way the track is makes it impossible to overtake even if you are 160 bhp down which is crazy. Maybe Liberty will make some proposals to the organisers because there is more room now due to land reclamation being done on the waterfront for instance.
     
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    LOL, not sure if it's real outrage or fake.

    We've seen Grosjean crash getting out of the way of the Ferrari's (this may not be true, but I'll post it anyway to illustrate my point using comedy)

    Sauber and Hass cannot get out of the way of the Ferraris quick enough.

    Same can be said with Force India.

    Williams are just shocking though and move over for everyone.

    As for the Daniel winning. Couldn't be happier. Senna held off Mansell in a vastly inferior car, with much better tyres and areodynamics that didn't cause too many problems for the cars following, so there was absolutely no chance Seb was going to do anything in this race.
     
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    Judging from their social media posts it looks like Ferrari might miss the race in Montreal.



    The CN Tower is in Toronto
     
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    Hm? The tweet is gone
     
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    I'd guess that it said something about being near the CN Tower, which isn't where the race is happening.

    EDIT: Yup. https://i.imgur.com/BTvlGBP.jpg
     
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    Ah it was a picture of the skyline of Toronto with the words 'ready for Montreal'.
     
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