Formula 1 - 2014 Season

[DJ12]

I see, as far as I know they already get that information (Fuel flow and used), all be it, there is no running total, so the driver would have to keep track of it himself. Whether this restriction is because of the rules or just because the teams find it easier to monitor it themselves though I don't know.

Personally, I think banning information on brake problems (and other safety issues) is stupid and I cannot see teams having spotted someones brakes are about to fail will not informing the driver straight away.

 

[cjo]

I see, as far as I know they already get that information (Fuel flow and used), all be it, there is no running total, so the driver would have to keep track of it himself. Whether this restriction is because of the rules or just because the teams find it easier to monitor it themselves though I don't know.

Personally, I think banning information on brake problems (and other safety issues) is stupid and I cannot see teams having spotted someones brakes are about to fail will not informing the driver straight away.

They aren't banned from providing safety information. They aren't allowed to tell them things like "you need to change the brake balance" (ie. which settings to adjust to get maximum performance from the car).

The explicitly are allowed to inform the drivers about damage to the car or the need to retire. So they can't say "you need to change this setting to make the engine / breaks / gears / tyres / battery last longer". They can say "your breaks have been, or are about to be, too badly damaged to be safe, we need you to retire".

 

[DJ12]

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-full-details-of-what-is-and-isnt-allowed/

Brake wear is on the banned list.

 

[cjo]

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/09/15/f1s-radio-ban-full-details-of-what-is-and-isnt-allowed/

Brake wear is on the banned list.

Why not read the whole list, rather than finding something that sort of looks like it proves your point then stopping.

Messages permitted (for the avoidance of doubt)
<snip>
Pit to retire the car.

They can't say "if you carry on like this you won't have any brakes left". They can say "pit the car, we need you to retire, your breaks are critical and it won't be safe if you carry on".

 

[DJ12]

I did read the whole list, thanks pal.

A brake issue can be managed do you think the team's would retire a car because of it?

Besides your example would be seen as a coded message warning you explicitly to watch your brakes.

And it was in reply to your original poor example much along the same lines.

They cannot mention anything about brake wear (damage to the brakes would be ok but that isn't the same thing), they could tell the driver to retire that is all.

 

[cjo]

I did read the whole list, thanks pal.

A brake issue can be managed do you think the team's would retire a car because of it?

Besides your example would be seen as a coded message warning you explicitly to watch your brakes.

And it was in reply to your original poor example much along the same lines.

They cannot mention anything about brake wear (damage to the brakes would be ok but that isn't the same thing), they could tell the driver to retire that is all.

Telling someone to retire the car, them coming in to the pits and then retiring the car is hardly a coded message.

You said

Personally, I think banning information on brake problems (and other safety issues) is stupid

They haven't banned anything with safety issues. They have banned them from saying how much the drivers are wearing down the brakes etc.

At the point where it becomes a safety issue they explicitly are allowed to tell the driver to stop driving. They just can't say "stop braking like that or you'll wear out your brakes". As soon it transitions from being a 'maximising performance' issue to "you can't continue the race", they can tell them.

And your point about the teams not being quiet about problems they have spotted, that is exactly what this new regulation is designed to make the teams do; stop telling the drivers how to drive the car and forcing the drivers to manage it themselves.

 

[DJ12]

Telling someone to retire the car because the brakes are worn and then a lap later saying it's ok there was a sensor error after the driver had made an adjustment will be seen as and is a coded message.

Team's will not want to retire a car because of brake wear which can be managed.

Telling the driver there's a brake issue isn't telling then how to drive the car, telling him to put harvesting in mode 2 to save the rear brakes is.

Neither example is allowed under the new rules.

 

[Rurouni]

It turns out that they relaxed the radio thing and only implement it fully for 2015. It's (probably) because the teams haven't got a chance to adjust for it, especially regarding the complexity of managing the car and having the necessary info to be displayed at the steering wheel. Now the list is like this (copy pasted from F1.com)

Messages not permitted (by radio or pit board)

-Driving lines on the circuit.

-Contact with kerbs.

-Car set up parameters for specific corners.

-Comparative or absolute sector time detail of another driver.

-Speeds in corners compared to another driver.

-Gear selection compared with another driver.

-Gear selection in general.

-Braking points.

-Rate of braking compared to another driver.

-Rate of braking or application of brakes in general.

-Car stability under braking.

-Throttle application compared to another driver.

-Throttle application in general.

-Use of DRS compared with another driver.

-Use of any overtake button.

-Driving technique in general.

 

[Dave Baumann]

A large part of the reason for the change was due to the dashboard types. From Charlie Whiting:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115941

FIA race director Charlie Whiting said: "It became clear that some teams would be at a serious disadvantage compared to others - not just in their knowhow or ability to react in the short term, but also with hardware choices that were made a year ago.

"Two types of dashboard were available to the teams, and one can show a great deal more than the other.

"So in the interest of fairness we felt it would be better to introduce it in two stages and that is what we have done now."

4 teams use the small display, the rest use the large LCD.

 

[DieH@rd]

Its a good start. Hopefully they will not chicken out from larger radio ban next season.

 

[Bludd]

Good quali, finally some competition for Merc.

Hamilton -0,007 in front of Rosberg, Ricciardo P3, Vettel P4 and Alonso P5.

Räikkönen couldn't make his last run in Q3 because of a software problem which was a big shame because he had been fast in the first run. Ended up in P7

 

[Pete]

Dunno why, but I was surprised to see Ricciardo ahead of Vettel. And Hamilton saying he lost 1 or 2 tenths from a (mild?) lockup, then Rosberg wondering where he could have gained or lost 7 thousandths while ignoring the Hamilton comment. Let the mind games continue!

Can't wait for tomorrow's race. Even if it turns out to be a Merc 1-2, the track just looks cool.

 

[cjo]

Yeah, Hamilton managed to lock up in to the first corner, which put him 0.2 seconds behind Rosberg at that point. Rosberg pointed out that 0.007 seconds is equivalent to about 30cm over the course of a 5km lap.

 

[DJ12]

Got to love the crowd reaction. Riccardo, huge cheers, Rosberg, silence, Hamilton, huge cheers.

It was all going so well for Rosberg while he was keeping his mask on, now he's shown his true personality people don't like him.

Some are saying he also was insulting Hamilton in italian after the last race. He should write a book, how to lose 99% if your fans in 1 second.

 

[-tkf-]

Got to love the crowd reaction. Riccardo, huge cheers, Rosberg, silence, Hamilton, huge cheers.

It was all going so well for Rosberg while he was keeping his mask on, now he's shown his true personality people don't like him.

Some are saying he also was insulting Hamilton in italian after the last race. He should write a book, how to lose 99% if your fans in 1 second.

His true face? Singapore is pretty much a home crowd to Hamilton.

 

[DJ12]

And Italy too I guess.

 

[Lightman]

Got to love the crowd reaction. Riccardo, huge cheers, Rosberg, silence, Hamilton, huge cheers.

It was all going so well for Rosberg while he was keeping his mask on, now he's shown his true personality people don't like him.

Some are saying he also was insulting Hamilton in italian after the last race. He should write a book, how to lose 99% if your fans in 1 second.

1st of all Rosberg too was cheered but much less than two other guys. Secondly I still like Nico and there are many people rating him high regardless of Spa incident.

BTW do you have any source of Nico insulting Lewes in Italian? You know that Italians like to stir up and gossip a lot, prime example is recent Alonso to Honda gossip or Alonso - Vettel direct swap both coming from Italy.

I like to see them fight on the track and do their talking through their driving

 

[-tkf-]

And Italy too I guess.

Yep. Italy to. Schumacher was universal hated until he drove a Ferrari to victory.

 

[-tkf-]

His true face? .

Still waiting for an explanation on Rosbergs "True Face!"

Come on DJ12, lets hear it!

 

[DJ12]

It's in the post do I really need to spell it out for you?

He crashed into his team mate on purpose and insulted him just because he cocked up. This is just further evidence against his character.

Not the nice guy he likes to portray himself as.