Formula 1 - 2013 Season
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Rosbergs lap was nothing short of a miracle, he was over 0,8 secs faster than anyone else (excluding the obvious Di Resta) before Hamilton, Vettel and Webber got to their last laps under far better condition.
itsmydamnation
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http://tensport.com.au/motorsport-video.htm?vid=2627292365001
worth listening to the last 30 seconds
worth listening to the last 30 seconds
itsmydamnation
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must be geo locked.
mark webber is asked who he wants to see in his car next year. Webber says the decision has already been made, he is very happy with it and all Australians will be as well.
mark webber is asked who he wants to see in his car next year. Webber says the decision has already been made, he is very happy with it and all Australians will be as well.
Sorry, I was away for a few weeks and missed this one. Let me get it right - the only fair thing would have been if Kimi was rewarded the win right, because he only lost it because of Lewis's illegal pass... right? I'm sure that's something you of all people would agree with
Honestly, taking away a win post race is never a good thing - much less when someone inherets the win that wasn't even in contention the entire race. And in all of this talk - it is missed that McLaren were on the radio with Charlie and he thought that the giving-back and re-passing was legit. After the post-race penalty, McLaren was adament to present telemetry data and fight this one, but it was the FIA that then smacked it down by stating that time-post-race-penalities can not be challenged. It was a scandal decision. It was also then that they clarified the rule.
Hamilton was always going to pass Kimi once the track conditions had changed - he closed the gap and was clearly quicker - if not this corner, he would have passed him later for sure. The fact that Kimi later crashed made the whole move redundant as he wouldn't have won anyway. (well if he hadn't been passed, perhaps he wouldn't have crashed, but he did crash all by himself). The whole FIA decision smelled of race-fixing.
Even if the move wasn't entirely fair on paper (which no one is arguing) - it was accoarding to the rules and they clarified that with Charlie who thought the same. Even if Charlie is not "the stewards" - he does have some authority as the race-director which is why teams constantly ask for his input in such conditions. The stewarding system was openly criticed again and again througout that year and especially after this race. In the end, this whole thing could have been handled much better.
Obviously not.
Sorry, I was away for a few weeks and missed this one. Let me get it right - the only fair thing would have been if Kimi was rewarded the win right, because he only lost it because of Lewis's illegal pass... right? I'm sure that's something you of all people would agree with
Honestly, taking away a win post race is never a good thing - much less when someone inherets the win that wasn't even in contention the entire race. And in all of this talk - it is missed that McLaren were on the radio with Charlie and he thought that the giving-back and re-passing was legit. After the post-race penalty, McLaren was adament to present telemetry data and fight this one, but it was the FIA that then smacked it down by stating that time-post-race-penalities can not be challenged. It was a scandal decision. It was also then that they clarified the rule.
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Obviously it's better if penalty is given during the race, not after, but IIRC drive-through penalties are never given on the last couple laps, and instead time penalty is added.
It's irrelevant what would have or wouldn't have happened, no-one can know what would have happened if Hamilton hadn't passed Kimi with the advantage he gained. Maybe neither would have had to go off-line or even off-track, maybe both would have crashed, maybe aliens would have attacked the race, who knows, but it's still irrelevant.
Yes, it could have been handled better, but it still went by the book in the end.
No, you're absolutely correct. Sincerest apologies. Having just watched the complete 2008 season (and the Spa race of that year is still very accurately present), I felt I had to comment on it, but as usual when engaging in such a discussion, should have known better.
To get back on topic;
A bit disappointed with the Spa race. After a brilliant qualifying session, the race was just a bit too un-eventful. I also think it was pretty clear that the Mercedes was geared for a race in mixed conditions (high-DF, which is why they were quick in sector 2) opposed to RedBull who were clearly running a lower-DF setup. With the win at Spa, Redbull should be quite confident in their odds in Monza.
Sadly, I think this championship is pretty much settled. Vettel and his team is doing an incredible job at maximizing his results. Anyone want to take a guess when he'll be crowned champion?
It takes now 2 DNF's with Alonso winning to get anyone past Vettel in points, for Hamilton and Räikkönen it's even longer road
Of course you are right - but I fear the competition below a usually dominant Redbull is too high. Even if Vettel doesn't win, it is still rather likely that the win is a toss-up between Alonso, a Mercedes or Kimi. The one remaining constant is usually always Redbull and Vettel. They are at the top of their game and even on days where they are not performing as expected, they are consistently scoring good points. Vettel has 5 wins now, which is usually enough to win a WDC - and we're only just past the mid-point of the season. To mount a challenge, one of the remaining contenders and his team would seriously need to up their game and win consistently.
As much as I hope it won't turn out this way or at least that it will remain somewhat exciting to the end of the season, I don't really see it happening. And judging from Alonsos demeanor before the podium, neither does he...
As much as I hope it won't turn out this way or at least that it will remain somewhat exciting to the end of the season, I don't really see it happening. And judging from Alonsos demeanor before the podium, neither does he...
The problem isn't so much Alonso or Hamilton needing to win 2 races with Vettel scoring no points. That can happen. The problem is that needs to happen and then Alonso or Hamilton need to beat Vettel consistently afterwards. The chances of both these things happening are beginning to vanish pretty rapidly.
Good thing Kimi got his statistical DNF so now he just needs Lotus to equal Red Bull to beat Vettel (in addition to those 2 DNF's for Vettel, obviously)
Redbull unveil 2014 car
http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/storie...r-mario-at-soapbox-germany?utm_source=taboola
http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/storie...r-mario-at-soapbox-germany?utm_source=taboola
Fernando Alonso buys Spanish cycling team
http://www.fernandoalonso.com/en/fe...dquirir-el-equipo-ciclista-euskaltel-euskadi/
I thought news like this would come last year, but I guess Contador's adventures scuppered the plans.
http://www.fernandoalonso.com/en/fe...dquirir-el-equipo-ciclista-euskaltel-euskadi/
I thought news like this would come last year, but I guess Contador's adventures scuppered the plans.
