Formula 1 - 2013 Season

[jimbo75]

Again this. The fastest car is usually made by the team with highest budget and this is a clear financial discrimination for all the others. F1 will be the best when all drivers are allowed to drive with the same car

That's quite funny UT.

You spend an inordinate amount of time on this forum telling everybody that the tech companies should drive for ultimate performance ahead of anything else yet you don't apply that to F1 which is supposed to be the epitome of motorsport performance?

You berate AMD for not being able to beat Intel and Nvidia at the highest performance level despite the massive financial difference between them...yet now you think that F1 should have everybody in the same car and same money so that those with the most money don't win?

Your inconsistency of argument proves your bias. This is all about your bias for Ferrari, and it's ridiculous because Ferrari are still going to be very strong after the change.

 

[UniversalTruth]

You spend an inordinate amount of time on this forum telling everybody that the tech companies should drive for ultimate performance ahead of anything else yet you don't apply that to F1 which is supposed to be the epitome of motorsport performance?

Yes, because in the first case we all will get higher FPS and probably higher image settings while in the second case you will get shorter races and much lower overall excitement because of it.
As I said- I like these conditions because they give the chance to smaller teams to surprise.
And I hate the way RB try to introduce monopoly and to be dictators in F1.

You say you want to see Fernando champ in the end of the season but you want to see him suffering and fighting. So for you the fact that he suffered so many years without a chance for the championship doesn't make a difference...

 

[Davros]

And while your t it UT why not tell me why having one type of tyre that is very degradable and one type of tyre that is very durable is a silly idea, and why having 2 types of tyre that degrade is the better option.

 

[Billy Idol]

Watch more TV Dr Evil if you think that Red Bull did not cry, maybe watch some german TV where it was topic nr 1 before and after the race.
We will see how this turns out now. But, as always...money rules F1

In this sense, why not call it F$ instead of F1

 

[DuckThor Evil]

You single them out, many others have criticized the tires and this was far from a decision made to help the Red Bull. More like everyone realized they went too far hindering them...

 

[UniversalTruth]

Yup, people have to find after all an excuse for their failure. It is a convenient case to go against the tyres instead of looking at themselves and find their faults and solutions

What happened to Mercedes' pace in the end of the race. They proved to be fast with low fuel and new tyres. What's their problem to arrange pit stops in such a way that in the final laps they have suitable conditions?

That stupid mania for 1 or 2 pit stops is ridiculous

 

[Gubbi]

We get more overtakes, more battles than in any recent year, the speed hasn't come down practically at all if at all and yet still it's "not racing"?

Of course it is racing, but F1 racing has definitely taken a more endurance racing approach the past two years; Maximizing race-long pace means managing tyres and a modest fuel load instead of trying to overtake the car in front of you.

There has been plenty of overtaking. However, the bulk of overtakes has the car being overtaken driving on disintegrated tyres or in fuel-save mode, and only a handful of interesting ones where the cars were on equal footing (thank you Raikkonen).

Who wins is now decided more by the tyre/fuel simulators in the pitlane than the cars and drivers on the track. To me, it is the worst season ever, random and boring at the same time.

IMO, they should:
1. Use proper tyres. The current sitation is comical (and tragic).
2. Bring back refuelling. Reduce the size of the fuel tanks and have the cars refuel during the race. Possibly with mandatory pit-windows like in the Formula Renault 3.5 series.

Cheers

 

[Kaotik]

Honda returns to F1, supplies engines for McLaren next season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22551204

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Honda returns to F1, supplies engines for McLaren next season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22551204

Not next season, but in 2015. We'r only at 2013 now

 

[Kaotik]

Not next season, but in 2015. We'r only at 2013 now

I blame being on the phone, HTC One's Blink Feed had the news piece via Crash.net and it didn't mention any years so I assumed next year.
The BBC link came from another forum so I just continued to assume it's next year

 

[Bludd]

Gary Hartstein was the F1 medical delegate until he was fired for pissing of the French parts of the FIA.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/memoirs-of-a-medical-man/

Enlightening.

 

[Bludd]

Joe Saward on the tyre changes:
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/the-rules-of-the-game/

Gary Anderson with more insight and lap-time comparisons:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22543884

 

[Kaotik]

"Viewers and spectators are not happy with the fact the drivers are not pushing to the limit all the time and feel the sport is in some way being polluted. Some say that F1 has become too artificial as a result, that it looks manipulated."

This part is just bullcrap, there has always been something to "save" in modern F1, now it's tires, it used to be fuel or fuel and tires, to wha extent each have to be looked after varies, but for example at Barcelona the difference was next to nothing, winner vs winner vs winner in last 3 seasons the total race time was within tenth or two per lap, and every time the winner pitted 4 times too.

Anderson has a good grip on the issue - why are the teams that did their car right being punished?
Sure the delamination of the tyre looks bad, but it's not any worse than deflation (which can easily lead to whole tire exploding) in terms of safety really, and only happens if you damage the tyre from debris.

 

[DJ12]

Highlight of the race was hamilton telling his team he couldn't drive any slower.

Pay all that money for arguably the fastest driver on the grid and tell him to drive slower.

The tyres area joke this session two quick laps before hitting the cliff is unacceptable.

Hopefully pirelli quit and someone who can make a decent race tyre gives it a go like goodyear.

 

[Kaotik]

They're not a joke, the Mercedes car is a joke. It's only fast on one lap and eats tyres for breakfast and still the team tries to do 3 stopper when one of the best teams on handling these tyres does 4

Maybe one team should make a car that's unbelievably fast but can't turn and call all the tracks a joke because they have corners in them?

Every team had the same data and information on the tires and same testing time (Brazil last year + winter testing), from top teams only Lotus and Ferrari paid any attention to it.

edit:
Also if they're only "quick 2 laps before hitting a cliff" how come the lap times on 3 last races in Barcelona had their winners time within tenth or two (per lap) and in all cases the winner also did 4 stops?

 

[jimbo75]

Kaotik there may always have been a time when something was being saved but the current situation has led to an inability for the majority of teams to push, defend or basically just race. All they can do is manage their tyres until the end of their stint, then manage some more tyres, then some more. That's it, that's all Spain was for the majority of the field.

 

[DJ12]

Dont get upset because kimis advantage will go, if it hasnt already, at least we may see some racing between the top 3.

 

[Kaotik]

Kaotik there may always have been a time when something was being saved but the current situation has led to an inability for the majority of teams to push, defend or basically just race. All they can do is manage their tyres until the end of their stint, then manage some more tyres, then some more. That's it, that's all Spain was for the majority of the field.

Was it?

Winner did 4 stops and on average his laptimes were within about tenth of a second from last year when the winner also did 4 stops.

For example Button who has been complaining a lot after Barcelona drove within under 3 hundreds of a second per lap from his last years race time with just as many stops too.

Last year 10th guy was the first one in results that was lapped, this year - well how about that - 10th guy was again the first one to be lapped in the results.
But there's differences too! Last year the last two classified (18 & 19) got lapped twice and thrice, this year both got only lapped twice.
Last year there was 77 pitstops total, this year 79 - huuuuge difference, isn't it?

Maybe we should go back to 2011, that one was different - the winner was still within tenth or two from 2012/2013 in terms of average laptimes, again with 4 stops btw, but only 4 drivers finished on the same lap - even Alonso in Ferrari was lapped - was that the "proper racing" you were talking about since obviously last year was practically identical to this.

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I seriously ask - WHERE'S THE DAMN DIFFERENCE? There is practically none except the amount people talk about the tires.

edit:
2011 had 77 stops too if I counted right.

 

[UniversalTruth]

There is no need to ask because I think you will never get a serious answer.
Don't waste your nerves to argue, just let events go in the natural for them way. I hope we will beat the beast in the end

 

[jimbo75]

The difference is, last year the drivers weren't being told not to race.