UniversalTruth
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Please, stop posting for a while because your bias is ridiculous and very annoying. At least for one month
Formula 1 - 2013 Season
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Please, stop posting for a while because your bias is ridiculous and very annoying. At least for one month
Please, stop posting for a while because your bias is ridiculous and very annoying. At least for one month
You're calling me biased lol?
In 5 races this year, Alonso has dominated 2, had mechanical issues in 2 while running very strongly, and was 2nd in Adelaide because it was the first race and nobody except Lotus knew what to do on the tyres.
In other words, he could easily be as dominant as Vettel has been, and the reason is he is in one of two cars that don't eat through their tyres.
I said it a hundred times already, I want Alonso to win the title because he is the best driver in F1 and Vettel is a spoiled brat. It's *your* bias that is preventing you from seeing the big picture - all you care about is Alonso winning the title and you'll take it any way he can win it even though it's a manufactured victory based on terrible tyres.
Alonso is good enough to win the title without this kind of false advantage, I know this.
UniversalTruth
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It was Melbourne, not Adelaide. You don't even know where the circuits are but pretend to be very competent in the topic
Please, stop posting for a while because your bias is ridiculous and very annoying. At least for one month
Damn it! My irony meter just exploded.
UniversalTruth
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Yes, Ferrari have been working really hard to achieve this. This is a proof that the car is well engineered. You want to destroy it by giving other teams artificial benefit. Why don't they simply work harder and improve their cars. After all, all teams are put under the same conditions.
Once again- your bias is ridiculous and there is no justice.
I hate exactly this- I have to prove alone how people around the world have raised damn lies into cult
And all teams will be under the same condition with harder tyres. The main difference will be that drivers get to race.
No really it's *your* bias that is showing through. How obvious need it be? I am willing to see Alonso having a much harder time of it if it improves the racing.. You are happy for Alonso to win regardless of the cost. Do you know what bias is?
Most people would take this as a sign that maybe...just maybe...they were the ones doing it wrong.
There has been a huge backlash since Spain and it's not because Alonso won easily. This is not some anti-Alonso conspiracy. The tyre situation ruined the race as a spectacle.
By the end of the year I expect Alonso will be champion, and the Vettel fanboys won't have tyres as an excuse. Is that what you want, Alonso to be champion almost by default like Vettel has been gifted all of his? Where is the glory in that? Alonso is good enough to beat Vettel fairly and that's what you should want to see.
If they make the tires more durable it also allows ferrari to be more aggressive with theirs, they will not instantly lose their advantage.
Overall we will see the entire field of cars pick up the pace and provide us all with more competitive, more aggressive and more entertaining season of formula 1... before they wreck it all in 2014.
Overall we will see the entire field of cars pick up the pace and provide us all with more competitive, more aggressive and more entertaining season of formula 1... before they wreck it all in 2014.
DuckThor Evil
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He wasn't gifted anything. They were the best. End of Story.
And why is it right that the team that did their car good for the tires has to suffer so those that didn't just so the rest can "race" better?
Why haven't wet conditions been banned when clearly all cars haven't been able to "race" as well as others?
Why wasn't KERS banned when some teams couldn't get it working reliably or at all?
What makes the tire issue some teams have so special that they screw those who got their car right?
I must be one of few F1 fans looking forward to 2014 formula with V6 turbo engines and much better energy recovery system.
I mean, it will put back engineering race on track and make tyres less of an issue while maintaining good spectacle because overtaking will be aided by new power train. To be more precise, tyres will have to be quite a bit harder for 2014 as the turbo engines will have much higher torque across the revs. This will translate into more overtaking opportunities for drivers able to control throttle while exiting corners with minimum wheel spin and introduce more errors (sliding back) for drivers under pressure. On top of that new 'KERS' + 'HERS' 161bhp boost will be available for 33s per lap to drivers, making it dramatically better overtaking aid than KERS is now. I'm sure next year we will start seeing overtaking moves pulled in unusual places and quick, clever and tactical drivers using all new systems to their advantage.
As Wynix already said, harder tyres will not make the current two fastest race cars (Lotus and Ferrari) suffer - they will improve them. Lotus and Ferrari will be able to race even harder and faster than they currently can.
This is only bad to you because the other drivers will be able to drive their cars somewhat closer to normal as well, instead of being artificially handicapped by tyres that are just too soft. Are you completely sure you have the best interests of the sport at heart Kaotik?
This is only bad to you because the other drivers will be able to drive their cars somewhat closer to normal as well, instead of being artificially handicapped by tyres that are just too soft. Are you completely sure you have the best interests of the sport at heart Kaotik?
Lotuses advantage hasn't been speed with the tires and it's not really even 2nd fastest car - their advantage is in just being gentle enough tuo allow less pitstops and/or longer stints without tires losing performance. And I doubt the new tires will allow that anymore
UniversalTruth
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Ferrari and Lotus do provide highest average race speed without destroying tyres and having too high delta between fresh tyres and used ones. But I don't understand this stupid mania for less pit stops. If someone wants to win the race and with fresh tyres he is faster enough than the rest of the field, why not?
One of the classic wins for Michael Schumacher was exactly like this in France when he pitted 3 or 4 times- one time more than his competitor then, I don't remember who he was.
And yes- tyre change will most likely benefit RB the most and it is quite clearly written:
Red Bull's RB9 is widely believed to be the car that produces the most downforce in Formula 1 this year, but it cannot make use of all that peak performance because it puts the tyres under too much stress.
The nature of the challenge of looking after tyres means cars that are more mechanically sympathetic like the Lotus and Ferrari are better equipped when it comes to being consistent in the races
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-pirelli-can-bring-back-processions-165556987.html
One of the classic wins for Michael Schumacher was exactly like this in France when he pitted 3 or 4 times- one time more than his competitor then, I don't remember who he was.
And yes- tyre change will most likely benefit RB the most and it is quite clearly written:
Red Bull's RB9 is widely believed to be the car that produces the most downforce in Formula 1 this year, but it cannot make use of all that peak performance because it puts the tyres under too much stress.
The nature of the challenge of looking after tyres means cars that are more mechanically sympathetic like the Lotus and Ferrari are better equipped when it comes to being consistent in the races
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-pirelli-can-bring-back-processions-165556987.html
No reason why Lotus can't go to a 2-stopper while the rest are 3-stopping.
Alonso said he drove at 90% in Spain - with harder tyres he can drive at 95% while the rest drag themselves up to 90%. I don't fear this change at all except that it will let the best drivers actually race and that means Vettel will be stronger. He has most to gain for least effort, but if Kimi and Alonso drive to their best ability they'll still be in the fastest 2 cars on harder tyres. I don't expect there will be a 40 second gap between Alonso and Vettel any more but based on the performance of each car and driver I don't think there should be.
Alonso said he drove at 90% in Spain - with harder tyres he can drive at 95% while the rest drag themselves up to 90%. I don't fear this change at all except that it will let the best drivers actually race and that means Vettel will be stronger. He has most to gain for least effort, but if Kimi and Alonso drive to their best ability they'll still be in the fastest 2 cars on harder tyres. I don't expect there will be a 40 second gap between Alonso and Vettel any more but based on the performance of each car and driver I don't think there should be.
Because everyone uses the same tyres.
One of the problems is that this whole drama with the tyres is brought upon us for no reason, they have better tyres available but have chosen the tyres that don't last specifically to manufacture this drama.
Are these tyres safer? no.
Are these tyres faster? no.
Are these tyres cheaper? probably not since they use more of them.
Do these tyres make the sport more entertaining to watch? not to the majority of F1 fans apparently.
So why are some of you so offended that people want them to change the tyres to something that lasts long enough so we see all out racing for the full race duration with teams keeping stops between 2 or 3 per race?
I tried to stay out of the poo-flinging earlier but now i genuinely believe that some of you are blind by your bias and fear that once teams such as mercedes and redbull get better tyres that your person of choice will be overtaken and be unable to get onto the podium.
I believe tyre preservation should only ever play a small roll, otherwise it supersedes other factors that make up the drivers and teams abilities.
Fling away.
UniversalTruth
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Don't confuse yourself. vettel is not one of the best drivers. He is just a doll in the top management's hands put there just because of their egos and to have their own winner. Otherwise he doesn't even deserve to race in F1.
And yes, in next races the gap won't be 40 seconds, but vettel will be lapped multiple times
And yes, in next races the gap won't be 40 seconds, but vettel will be lapped multiple times
This is another reason why the tyres are so wrong just now. F1 should be about making the fastest car but the tyre situation rewards cars that have lower peak performance. F1 is supposed to be the epitome of motorsport yet we have a situation now that it actually benefits being slower over a lap and better at conserving tyres.
What's the point in developing a fast car again? Rosberg has lost what, 13 places from pole in the last two races. That's not right.
UniversalTruth
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Again this. The fastest car is usually made by the team with highest budget and this is a clear financial discrimination for all the others. F1 will be the best when all drivers are allowed to drive with the same car
Pirelli have also stated that they underestimated the speed gains that would be made this year btw, and that's one reason why the tyres aren't lasting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22523596
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22523596
